obama should lose

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

according to over half of those polled.


WASHINGTON — Entering 2012, President Barack Obama's re-election prospects are essentially a 50-50 proposition, with a majority saying the president deserves to be voted out of office despite concerns about the Republican alternatives, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.



For the first time, the poll found that a majority of adults, 52 percent, said Obama should be voted out of office while 43 percent said he deserves another term. The numbers mark a reversal since last May, when 53 percent said Obama should be re-elected while 43 percent said he didn't deserve four more years.

Obama's overall job approval stands at a new low: 44 percent approve while 54 percent disapprove. The president's standing among independents is worse: 38 percent approve while 59 percent disapprove. Among Democrats, the president holds steady with an approval rating of 78 percent while only 12 percent of Republicans approve of the job he's doing.



Only 26 percent said the United States is headed in the right direction while 70 percent said the country was moving in the wrong direction.

It's intersting because while this survey and his overall ratings are down, when you poll him against Gingrich or Romney, he wins...especially against Gingrich who he beats handily. It's like...I don't want Obama to win, but..oh my god..that's the other option??

[Danzig]

yeah, none of the candidates impress me at all as presidential material. our current crop of 'leaders' is woefully inadequate.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's intersting because while this survey and his overall ratings are down, when you poll him against Gingrich or Romney, he wins...especially against Gingrich who he beats handily. It's like...I don't want Obama to win, but..oh my god..that's the other option??

This was my dilemma last election too. Bob if the politics bully comes around, tell her I wasn't in here.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's intersting because while this survey and his overall ratings are down, when you poll him against Gingrich or Romney, he wins...especially against Gingrich who he beats handily. It's like...I don't want Obama to win, but..oh my god..that's the other option??

Much to my disappointment - it will be hard for Obama to put together the same electoral perfect storm he had last time and Bob you know how much it hurts me to say that

http://flapsblog.com/2011/11/07/pres...-one-year-out/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Much to my disappointment - it will be hard for Obama to put together the same electoral perfect storm he had last time and Bob you know how much it hurts me to say that

http://flapsblog.com/2011/11/07/pres...-one-year-out/

you're right. a lot of people bought his propaganda hook, line and sinker. of course not everyone now believes he still can pull off change. some still have the hope part.
it's too bad, too. it would have been nice if change had been made. but i think the changes we need won't come from the top down.

[Seattleallstar]

these numbers dont matter, what is going to matter is where the votes will go in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and a couple other possible swing states for their electoral votes. Its already granted hes probably lost a few states already that uncharistically voted for the Democratic nominee as President.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

these numbers dont matter, what is going to matter is where the votes will go in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, and a couple other possible swing states for their electoral votes. Its already granted hes probably lost a few states already that uncharistically voted for the Democratic nominee as President.

Obama doesn't have a chance if he can't shore up his base. Many on the left are disenchanted with him. Not that they are going to turn around and vote Republican, but they aren't as enthusiastic about him as they were in 2008.

You will get one of the better gauges of how things are going for Obama if you see Dem House and Senate candidates in competitive districts and states avoiding him in August.

[Riot]

OWS type activists and the Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type sweep.

[hi_im_god]

the futures market is more accurate than any poll and it's basically calling the election too close to call.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/co...tractId=743474

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

OWS type activists and the Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type sweep.

Hold on now....I thought OWS was non-partisan????

Based on your comment they are not only not non-partisan but arent particularly lucid either.

[Riot]

Four important states, Wisconsin, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, have extremely unpopular Republican governors who are undergoing attack and recall of themselves and their policies. Florida has the most unpopular Gov. in the country. Wis. Gov. is on the verge of undergoing a recall election. All this will help the Dems in 2012.

Obama is currently winning in South Carolina polling against Gingrich and Romney.

Rep. Gov Nikki Haley has just been found (this week) to have withheld FOIA requests that reveal she's privately deliberately blocked ACA health care implementation in her state.

There's a long way to go, but characterizing Obama as a terrible president is pretty premature and doesn't hold up well outside of conservaland (killed bin Laden, eliminated most of al Quaeda, ended war in Iraq, drawing down in Afghanistan, saved the auto industry, millions receiving benefits of health care law changes) - especially against a Republican House that has the lowest ever popularity rating. The public knows Obama inherited alot of this mess, and knows the Congress and Senate haven't done a thing to help him.

Some of this weeks other poll numbers:

NATIONAL (AP/GfK): Obama d. Romney (47-46); Obama d. Gingrich (51-42)

NATIONAL (Rasmussen): Obama d. Gingrich (49-39)

NATIONAL (Reuters/Ipsos): Obama d. Romney (48-40); Obama d. Gingrich (51-38); Obama d. Perry (50-37)

NATIONAL (YouGov/Economist): Obama d. Romney (46-43); Obama d. Gingrich (48-39); Obama d. Paul (47-40)

CALIFORNIA (PPIC): Obama d. Generic Republican (50-38)

VIRGINIA (PPP): Obama d. Romney (48-42); Obama d. Gingrich (50-43); Obama d. Paul (48-40); Obama d. Perry (51-41); Obama d. Bachmann (52-39)

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Four important states, Wisconsin, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, have extremely unpopular Republican governors who are undergoing attack and recall of themselves and their policies. Florida has the most unpopular Gov. in the country. Wis. Gov. is on the verge of undergoing a recall election. All this will help the Dems in 2012.

Obama is currently winning in South Carolina polling against Gingrich and Romney.

Rep. Gov Nikki Haley has just been found (this week) to have withheld FOIA requests that reveal she's privately deliberately blocked ACA health care implementation in her state.

There's a long way to go, but characterizing Obama as a terrible president is pretty premature and doesn't hold up well outside of conservaland (killed bin Laden, eliminated most of al Quaeda, ended war in Iraq, drawing down in Afghanistan, saved the auto industry, millions receiving benefits of health care law changes) - especially against a Republican House that has the lowest ever popularity rating. The public knows Obama inherited alot of this mess, and knows the Congress and Senate haven't done a thing to help him.

Some of this weeks other poll numbers:

NATIONAL (AP/GfK): Obama d. Romney (47-46); Obama d. Gingrich (51-42)

NATIONAL (Rasmussen): Obama d. Gingrich (49-39)

NATIONAL (Reuters/Ipsos): Obama d. Romney (48-40); Obama d. Gingrich (51-38); Obama d. Perry (50-37)

NATIONAL (YouGov/Economist): Obama d. Romney (46-43); Obama d. Gingrich (48-39); Obama d. Paul (47-40)

CALIFORNIA (PPIC): Obama d. Generic Republican (50-38)

VIRGINIA (PPP): Obama d. Romney (48-42); Obama d. Gingrich (50-43); Obama d. Paul (48-40); Obama d. Perry (51-41); Obama d. Bachmann (52-39)

He has zero shot v. Huntsman. Complete landslide and I hope that the party can see that when the time comes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

He has zero shot v. Huntsman. Complete landslide and I hope that the party can see that when the time comes.

I think Huntsman would be the best challenger. He's inched into double digits in New Hampshire.

I still wish Ron Paul would do well - this is the best he's ever done, in his lifetime campaign of running for Pres.

I think this is going to be a weird election, with the top of the ticket separated from the downticket races. Obama has already tried out his stump speech in Kansas, though, and it was stunning.

[hi_im_god]

btw: the futures also put the likelyhood of a republican senate after the 2012 election at 75% and a republican house at 73.9%..