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Old 12-08-2011, 10:45 AM
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i didn't find the lsu/bama game boring at all. guess that's just me. but then, some people enjoy both offenses scoring back and forth, with 48/47 final scores an exciting game to them. not me. that game was a brutal battle from start to finish. might not have caused a lot of cheering throughout the game, but it was riveting.


as an aside regarding boise st..with them moving into the big east, with an auto bcs bid for the conference winner, will they still be complaining about the system when they go to the fiesta bowl??? doubt it.
The defenses are good, but the offenses are average at best. It isn't like only great defense kept the score down.
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Whenever there is an SEC school with a good offense the defense usually is forgotten. Florida, LSU and Bama had outstanding defenses for their recent past championship runs. You can say Auburn last year had a defense that would equal or better any Big 12 team.

I understand your points. The reality is a playoff system wouldn't make much difference. SEC is the premier conference and would perform extremely well in a 4 or 8 team playoff.

For now we're stuck with this annoying system where inferior programs like Boise State can b.itch and moan about life not being fair. Well that's a better option than a playoff system where they would be exposed.
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:26 AM
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The defenses are good, but the offenses are average at best. It isn't like only great defense kept the score down.
i don't think our running game is average. reuben randle is a top receiver in the ncaa. i think at that game lee just collapsed-perhaps he knew by then he was about to be declared academically ineligible? at any rate, not a good day for him. so they turned to jefferson, who hadn't had a whole lot of playing time up to that point. i think we'll have a better showing this time around. jefferson is not a top qb, but he's adequate. i think tho that the rest of the offensive is better than average.
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:58 AM
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i don't think our running game is average. reuben randle is a top receiver in the ncaa. i think at that game lee just collapsed-perhaps he knew by then he was about to be declared academically ineligible? at any rate, not a good day for him. so they turned to jefferson, who hadn't had a whole lot of playing time up to that point. i think we'll have a better showing this time around. jefferson is not a top qb, but he's adequate. i think tho that the rest of the offensive is better than average.
Our? Which team do you play for? Please tell me you are at least an alum. Here in Oklahoma half the "fans" can't even find OU on a map.
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Our? Which team do you play for? Please tell me you are at least an alum. Here in Oklahoma half the "fans" can't even find OU on a map.
our as in lsu. sorry, didn't know i couldn't use 'our'. and i can find it on a map; i'm pretty good at geography. and when i'm a fan, i'm a fan. hell, i still pull for the skins after all these years even tho i can't stand the owner and the team has sucked for some time.
closest any of us got to being an alum was my youngest; he was offered a scholarship but went navy instead.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:24 PM
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How many NFL starters is the OSU QB older than? I am thinking just a few guys playing right now are over 28.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:48 PM
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How many NFL starters is the OSU QB older than? I am thinking just a few guys playing right now are over 28.
What difference does this make?
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What difference does this make?
28 just seems unfair for a collegiate athlete, no?
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:50 PM
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i don't think our running game is average. reuben randle is a top receiver in the ncaa. i think at that game lee just collapsed-perhaps he knew by then he was about to be declared academically ineligible? at any rate, not a good day for him. so they turned to jefferson, who hadn't had a whole lot of playing time up to that point. i think we'll have a better showing this time around. jefferson is not a top qb, but he's adequate. i think tho that the rest of the offensive is better than average.
If we had a QB that was good enough to turn loose with the offensive weapons we had over the last 3 years, we could have throttled the competition.
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Old 12-08-2011, 01:44 PM
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The defenses are good, but the offenses are average at best. It isn't like only great defense kept the score down.
Ncaa total points scored average: Boise 43, LSU 38, Bama 36

Ncaa total points allowed average: Bama 9, LSU 10, Boise 18

Isn't it painfully obvious what matters the most here, and obviously the offensive averages for LSU and Bama include the 9-6 game against each other.
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Ncaa total points scored average: Boise 43, LSU 38, Bama 36

Ncaa total points allowed average: Bama 9, LSU 10, Boise 18

Isn't it painfully obvious what matters the most here, and obviously the offensive averages for LSU and Bama include the 9-6 game against each other.
They also include the 52-3(LSU) and 52-7 (Alabama) games against the girls team from Ole Miss lol
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They also include the 52-3(LSU) and 52-7 (Alabama) games against the girls team from Ole Miss lol
strength of schedule, LSU 18, Bama 23, Boise.....69.
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strength of schedule, LSU 18, Bama 23, Boise.....69.
Nobody, and I mean nobody, is saying Boise should be in the title game. They didn't even win their conference.
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strength of schedule, LSU 18, Bama 23, Boise.....69.
Didnt we go through this already?
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:19 PM
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...ate_bcs_112911

I put this up before and he really nails it.

"Understand this, though: No matter what it says, the BCS is not a system designed to choose a championship matchup. It is merely a tool to stave off the inevitable playoff bowl directors fear will cut into their millions in tax-free profits, a casino-style distraction to placate the masses."

"That said, if the BCS somehow survives in its current incarnation, the formula to determine 1-2 must be scrapped.

It currently consists of two-thirds human opinion polls that are ripe for political foolishness, full of oft-uneducated voters and subject to groupthink."


"The other third features an average of six computer formulas, which quantitative analysts have declared mathematically unsound and their own proprietors admit are not as accurate as they could be. Five of the computer formulas are secret, even kept from the BCS, which means no one, absolutely no one, knows if they are accurate or honest."

"It is a total disaster of a system. No one who cares about the game would ever invent such a thing. Just because ESPN does a fine job dressing it up each week like it’s a legitimate process doesn’t mean it is."

"BCS executive director Bill Hancock likes to refer to the formula as “one part science, two parts art.” It’s actually just a wholly formed insult to intelligence.

The computer formulas are mathematically laughable. There is plenty of debate about how accurate any ranking formula is when trying to use limited data (12 or 13 games) to sort through a diverse mass of teams. Some of the formulas include not just the 120 FBS teams but extend all the way to junior colleges.

In late October, Kenneth Massey’s rankings had Arizona Western, a community college, 30th overall.

Seriously."
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Les Miles developing offensive strategy for 'Nana...he runs into trouble, but his wife gets him there:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ttRaXlnfs
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Didnt we go through this already?
The strength of Boise State's schedule can never be gone over enough. I still don't get the angst, they've been undefeated twice and played in the championship game never. I thought they may have had a chance to this year, but now not so sure. IF NCAA basketball was run like this, I'm sure the complaints about Butler's conference schedules would have been overwhelming the last two years.
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...and obviously the offensive averages for LSU and Bama include the 9-6 game against each other.
They also include games against those powerhouses Ole Miss and Tennessee. As I've said elsewhere, in a system where nobody really knows who is best, why should one team get two chances? It is ridiculous.
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