Extending the Payroll Tax Cut

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

fortunately we apparantly have come a long way

No. Income inequality has not improved since 2009 as you profess, it has worsened.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...uality-america

Watching you jump through hoops to defend a plutocracy is simply amazing.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. Income inequality has not improved since 2009 as you profess, it has worsened.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...uality-america

Watching you jump through hoops to defend a plutocracy is simply amazing.

Honestly Dell, one doesn't need charts and graphs and articles by scholars to see that the wealth gap is increasing at the expense of the poor, there are two Americas today, the one inhabited by the rich and the one where the rest of us live. All the propaganda in the world won't change that fact and sooner or later folks are gonna tire of watching the wealthy grow wealthier while they struggle and find it impossible to give their kids the same as they were given by their parents. When that day comes there will be revolution and it won't be pretty!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Honestly Dell, one doesn't need charts and graphs and articles by scholars to see that the wealth gap is increasing at the expense of the poor, there are two Americas today, the one inhabited by the rich and the one where the rest of us live. All the propaganda in the world won't change that fact and sooner or later folks are gonna tire of watching the wealthy grow wealthier while they struggle and find it impossible to give their kids the same as they were given by their parents. When that day comes there will be revolution and it won't be pretty!

It's already happening, and it's Occupy. In America, in Europe, in South America. Some will not be sheep any more.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's already happening, and it's Occupy. In America, in Europe, in South America. Some will not be sheep any more.

The "Occupy" movement is just the beginning, these folks are expressing their dissatisfaction with things but from dissatisfaction eventually comes the seeds of revolution, this country like most was founded on the blood of patriots, it is naive to think bloodshed is a thing of the past. As Grace Slick once famously sang on TV (getting by the network censors)..."up against the wall mother f-ers"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The "Occupy" movement is just the beginning, these folks are expressing their dissatisfaction with things but from dissatisfaction eventually comes the seeds of revolution, this country like most was founded on the blood of patriots, it is naive to think bloodshed is a thing of the past. As Grace Slick once famously sang on TV (getting by the network censors)..."up against the wall mother f-ers"

So far the violence has mainly been perpetrated by plutocrats via the police, against the protesters, trying to stop the movement.

“I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world" - Michael Bloomberg, speaking of the NYC police department, at an MIT speech, November 29, 2011.

Who do the police serve and protect, Mr. Billionaire? You? Or the citizens of New York?

The court cases are starting to be heard, regarding the infringement on free speech rights, and violence on the part of the police, and Occupy is doing very well so far.

I wonder what the public would say, if, back when protesters were wearing guns in public and calling for the tree of liberty to be watered with the blood of patriots in health care town halls, they were pepper sprayed and prevented from demonstrating.

[dellinger63]

FYI Occupy Chicago is dead. Less than 50 people there last Saturday afternoon. More people were watching the Michael Jackson street performer dancing on a box.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

FYI Occupy Chicago is dead. Less than 50 people there last Saturday afternoon. More people were watching the Michael Jackson street performer dancing on a box.

Occupy, Tea Party...they will all disappear soon. Fringe acts..mostly narcissists looking for attention who bring their points to the public, engage a few politicians and disappear. Everyone wants to feel important and they just take their act a bit further...because they either can financially or they are unemployed. Come on..what regular working Joe with a family is just going to sit in a park for 3 months?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

FYI Occupy Chicago is dead. Less than 50 people there last Saturday afternoon. More people were watching the Michael Jackson street performer dancing on a box.

LOL - FYI Occupy Chicago is huge and spreading, and very active. No, they do not physically occupy the parks any more. The attention of the world has been garnered - not necessary at this point. I'm sorry you mistakenly think that's all Occupy is.

Here's Occupy Chicago's page, so you can attend the General Assemblies and other actions, Dell Looks like they have plenty scheduled over the next few months http://occupychi.org/

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The "Occupy" movement is just the beginning, these folks are expressing their dissatisfaction with things but from dissatisfaction eventually comes the seeds of revolution, this country like most was founded on the blood of patriots, it is naive to think bloodshed is a thing of the past."

Wonder how those Patriots would have acted if once the British were defeated the new government came and told them they need to "collect 4 cents on every dollar earned and 6 cents for every dollar paid and they (Gov) will keep it for safe keeping on top of a personal income tax not to exceed 34%. Then tax on the farm or any property owned, and everything you buy.

Oh and you're going to have to buy a license plate and sticker for every horse/wagon you own, need to go get tested and licensed to ride and drive, need a FOID card and register every gun, buy shots for the dogs and kids, license for the dog, and a extra tax on top of sales for the barber."

Then when he asks what all the money is for, tell him "while we will use some of the money for the military and defense three times that money will be used to pay anyone not working for two years, for single mothers and kids, the elderly and anyone who can't afford medical care."

In Somer speak reminds me of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9p8xxgT748

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Honestly Dell, one doesn't need charts and graphs and articles by scholars to see that the wealth gap is increasing at the expense of the poor, there are two Americas today, the one inhabited by the rich and the one where the rest of us live. All the propaganda in the world won't change that fact and sooner or later folks are gonna tire of watching the wealthy grow wealthier while they struggle and find it impossible to give their kids the same as they were given by their parents. When that day comes there will be revolution and it won't be pretty!

This has always been. There is no newly developed rich America. There has always been and as long as money is used as currency always will be. The Continential Congress wasnt made up of common folk.

There is no bigger propaganda than the idea that wealthy people are oppressing the masses.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This has always been. There is no newly developed rich America.

No. But there is a newly missing former middle class, isn't there?

There is no bigger propaganda than the idea that wealthy people are oppressing the masses.

That's right. Just move along. Congress and your government is a wholly owned plutocracy of the wealthy, don't you little people worry about it

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. But there is a newly missing former middle class, isn't there?



That's right. Just move along. Congress and your government is a wholly owned plutocracy of the wealthy, don't you little people worry about it

If there is no middle class than why all the hand wringing about them?

Yeah a bunch of people holed up in parks across the country are going to root out corruption and greed. Sure they are...

Money talks and bullshit walks...not sure why anyone thinks this will ever change in, well just about everything?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If there is no middle class than why all the hand wringing about them?

Yeah a bunch of people holed up in parks across the country are going to root out corruption and greed. Sure they are...

Money talks and bullshit walks...not sure why anyone thinks this will ever change in, well just about everything?

That's right, nothing at all to worry about here.

Oh - and those people are no longer in the parks, they are in places like ... the halls of Congress today. Getting 400,000 people to withdraw money from big banks with bad practices in favor of credit unions last month. Getting the conversation changed from the false Republican "fix the deficit" nonsense, to the reality of income inequality and the nasty influence, over the past 70 years, of money in our politics.

So what did you think of the President's speech today?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's right, nothing at all to worry about here.

Oh - and those people are no longer in the parks, they are in places like ... the halls of Congress today. Getting 400,000 people to withdraw money from big banks with bad practices in favor of credit unions last month. Getting the conversation changed from the false Republican "fix the deficit" nonsense, to the reality of income inequality and the nasty influence, over the past 70 years, of money in our politics.

So what did you think of the President's speech today?

Funny how you claim that the movement is non partisan yet you keep bring up Republican "nonsense" that it is supposedly addressing.

So you think money in politics started 70 years ago? lol