Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You said it.

Help us haters out. What do we need to understand that we aren't? How does a 2 for 8 passing performance equate to a good NFL QB?

Not for nothing but the aggressor here is you. You've gotten all bent out of shape defending your guy (which is admirable) but he hasn't performed well enough for any sane person to defend his play. The only thing you can say is they are winning, which is the most important thing. Is that because of Tebow's play? Of course not. How could it be?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Help us haters out. What do we need to understand that we aren't? How does a 2 for 8 passing performance equate to a good NFL QB?

Not for nothing but the aggressor here is you. You've gotten all bent out of shape defending your guy (which is admirable) but he hasn't performed well enough for any sane person to defend his play. The only thing you can say is they are winning, which is the most important thing. Is that because of Tebow's play? Of course not. How could it be?

Tebow a perfect fit http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/phi/1935.htm

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Help us haters out. What do we need to understand that we aren't? How does a 2 for 8 passing performance equate to a good NFL QB?

Not for nothing but the aggressor here is you. You've gotten all bent out of shape defending your guy (which is admirable) but he hasn't performed well enough for any sane person to defend his play. The only thing you can say is they are winning, which is the most important thing. Is that because of Tebow's play? Of course not. How could it be?

I am defending "my guy" because results speak for themselves. I own a company, if I hire a sales guy who does things completely differently than any of my other sales guys and his results with the same staff and support we have now are a complete inversion from where we were before, the guy deserves credit. I don't care how he got there.
If not his play than what? His intangibles, maybe. Both Decker and Miller were on espn yesterday saying the same things, the guy brings the team up and isnt scared to put it on his own back when need be.
Re: Ponder...I will take 2-8 62tds and a TD (plus one rushing) over 16-38 160 and an INT every day.
You all don't like him (as a QB anyway, I give everyone credit for speaking to his person and work ethics) but this town has really jumped on board and it has been fun. I hope they keep winning.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am defending "my guy" because results speak for themselves. I own a company, if I hire a sales guy who does things completely differently than any of my other sales guys and his results with the same staff and support we have now are a complete inversion from where we were before, the guy deserves credit. I don't care how he got there.
If not his play than what? His intangibles, maybe. Both Decker and Miller were on espn yesterday saying the same things, the guy brings the team up and isnt scared to put it on his own back when need be.
Re: Ponder...I will take 2-8 62tds and a TD (plus one rushing) over 16-38 160 and an INT every day.
You all don't like him (as a QB anyway, I give everyone credit for speaking to his person and work ethics) but this town has really jumped on board and it has been fun. I hope they keep winning.

But has he really put the team on his back? It seems like in 2 out of the 3 wins (Miami and KC), they got very strong defensive performances (against bad teams). In the Oakland game they got a few big plays out of other players (McGahee and Royal), regardless he played well in what was a very good road win. I guess as the QB, he's the leader and a big part of it, but realistically those seemed like overall total "TEAM" wins as opposed to a guy carrying the entire team on his back.
You would think that those intangibles he brings to the table will get tried quickly if and when he is needed to really carry the team on his back and throw the ball 40 times. I think that's when we will see what he's really made of.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But has he really put the team on his back? It seems like in 2 out of the 3 wins (Miami and KC), they got very strong defensive performances (against bad teams). In the Oakland game they got a few big plays out of other players (McGahee and Royal), regardless he played well in what was a very good road win. I guess as the QB, he's the leader and a big part of it, but realistically those seemed like overall total "TEAM" wins as opposed to a guy carrying the entire team on his back.
You would think that those intangibles he brings to the table will get tried quickly if and when he is needed to really carry the team on his back and throw the ball 40 times. I think that's when we will see what he's really made of.

Not my words, paraphrased from Decker and Miller.
I do not disagree they are team wins, I maintain that the team is better with him as their leader. "Math" says so.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Not my words, paraphrased from Decker and Miller.
I do not disagree they are team wins, I maintain that the team is better with him as their leader. "Math" says so.

We will see in the coming weeks, the waters get much deeper.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

We will see in the coming weeks, the waters get much deeper.

You think Rex will have something for him?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

You think Rex will have something for him?

Jets -4 is LOY

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

You think Rex will have something for him?

I'm guessing with the Jets seconday, that they will be able to use somebody as a shadow on Tebow. Joey or Hoss would probably have a better grasp on that then me. But I honestly don't think Tebow's their biggest problem. They need to get the offense back on track. If they are able to get that going, I can't see Denver being able to stay with them.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

You think Rex will have something for him?

No doubt. Should be interesting.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am defending "my guy" because results speak for themselves. I own a company, if I hire a sales guy who does things completely differently than any of my other sales guys and his results with the same staff and support we have now are a complete inversion from where we were before, the guy deserves credit. I don't care how he got there.
If not his play than what? His intangibles, maybe. Both Decker and Miller were on espn yesterday saying the same things, the guy brings the team up and isnt scared to put it on his own back when need be.
Re: Ponder...I will take 2-8 62tds and a TD (plus one rushing) over 16-38 160 and an INT every day.
You all don't like him (as a QB anyway, I give everyone credit for speaking to his person and work ethics) but this town has really jumped on board and it has been fun. I hope they keep winning.

So he has great intangibles? That is what you're going to hang your hat on?

I haven't seen this kind of irrational fandom since...well, Zenyatta. The results aren't completely different. Take the rose colored glasses off. You beat either terrible teams or a team whose QB was on his couch less than 2 weeks before he was rushed to the field. When you played a halfway decent team, you got smoked. Beaten so bad, John Fox wouldn't even commit Tebow as the QB rest of the season, just week by week. Now, because you beat the Chiefs, all of that is forgotten?

Just remember to come on back and update us on how the town feels at the end of the season.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

So he has great intangibles? That is what you're going to hang your hat on?

I haven't seen this kind of irrational fandom since...well, Zenyatta. The results aren't completely different. Take the rose colored glasses off. You beat either terrible teams or a team whose QB was on his couch less than 2 weeks before he was rushed to the field. When you played a halfway decent team, you got smoked. Beaten so bad, John Fox wouldn't even commit Tebow as the QB rest of the season, just week by week. Now, because you beat the Chiefs, all of that is forgotten?

Just remember to come on back and update us on how the town feels at the end of the season.

Tebow is to an elite NFL QB as a 5k Claimer is to Zenyetta

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

So he has great intangibles? That is what you're going to hang your hat on?

I haven't seen this kind of irrational fandom since...well, Zenyatta. The results aren't completely different. Take the rose colored glasses off. You beat either terrible teams or a team whose QB was on his couch less than 2 weeks before he was rushed to the field. When you played a halfway decent team, you got smoked. Beaten so bad, John Fox wouldn't even commit Tebow as the QB rest of the season, just week by week. Now, because you beat the Chiefs, all of that is forgotten?

Just remember to come on back and update us on how the town feels at the end of the season.

You can coach almost everything in football, everything except speed and leadership can be learned or taught. You play the team in front of you. Regarding the Lions, that pocket passing game plan was doomed from the start against their pass rush. I do not think they would have won running the offense they are now either, don't get me wrong, but some ball control and ground game probably would have helped against their splits (and total lack of recognition ability).
As far as my play referred to above, I no longer play anything at the highest levels so I haven't been "smoked" since I was 20 years old.
The town at the end of the season will be basking in sunshine at Vail or Breckenridge and looking back on a season that turned out better than expected...already has.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You can coach almost everything in football, everything except speed and leadership can be learned or taught. You play the team in front of you. Regarding the Lions, that pocket passing game plan was doomed from the start against their pass rush. I do not think they would have won running the offense they are now either, don't get me wrong, but some ball control and ground game probably would have helped against their splits (and total lack of recognition ability).
As far as my play referred to above, I no longer play anything at the highest levels so I haven't been "smoked" since I was 20 years old.
The town at the end of the season will be basking in sunshine at Vail or Breckenridge and looking back on a season that turned out better than expected...already has.

Cool story man.