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Old 11-06-2011, 12:32 PM
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I thought his King's Bishop was somewhat overhyped, or better put, overrated, and I disagree about that trip being ideal for him. That was a terrible setup for him.

Seasoning had nothing to do with his dismal performance yesterday. Watch the race again, and watch his action during the first 1/2 or 3/4's of the race. I cannot believe it's possible to focus on him running and not come away with the impression something was wrong. Between how hard he was laboring to run, his attempt to veer out on the first turn and his overall action, it was clear that seasoning, nor distance, were going to matter.

If he'd have run in the Mile, he'd have got dusted.
Let's leave the surface excuses to Pletcher. He has way more experience.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:38 PM
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Let's leave the surface excuses to Pletcher. He has way more experience.
Ok. And let's leave watching a race with your eyes open to a race caller.
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Old 11-06-2011, 12:52 PM
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I thought the decision was the right one. If they were looking for the most likely spot to win, maybe not. If they have plans on running next year, maybe not. But I believe that if you talk it, walk it. You can't make claims that he's the best horse in the world, an all-time great......then settle for a consolation prize. Go big or go home. Winning the 8f race would have been forgotten very shortly. Is anyone going to be reminiscing in five years about the time they saw Caleb's Posse win the Dirt Mile? The way I saw it, most people believed he was the best miler in the country already so winning that race would have proved nothing. It was a higher risk/reward race than the Classic for sure. Losing a race where you're 3/5 at your best distance is no good. Losing the Classic doesn't hurt him because everyone blames the connections because truthfully, he did not fit the race. The Classic was really everything to win, nothing to lose for the horse.
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:04 PM
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The Classic was really everything to win, nothing to lose for the horse.
I think he lost a lot.
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:27 PM
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He may have lost something, I dont know. I do know he was in the right race. I agree with IC also. I never really saw a comfortable horse yesterday.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:26 PM
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He may have lost something, I dont know. I do know he was in the right race. I agree with IC also. I never really saw a comfortable horse yesterday.
Lost something? He is 3 and he has raced about 10 times in his entire life.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:31 PM
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He may have lost something, I dont know. I do know he was in the right race. I agree with IC also. I never really saw a comfortable horse yesterday.
He's the East Coast version of The Factor. Give him perfect conditions and no pressure, and he's otherworldly.

Put a little squeeze on him and he won't "handle the track" every time.

If he runs again, he will never do anything better than his Kelso.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:44 PM
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He's the East Coast version of The Factor. Give him perfect conditions and no pressure, and he's otherworldly.

Put a little squeeze on him and he won't "handle the track" every time.

If he runs again, he will never do anything better than his Kelso.
Give Mo a little more credit than that. I do get the comparison but Mo is certainly much more horse than The Factor who is more like Lion Heart without the Cobra Venom.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:03 PM
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He's the East Coast version of The Factor. Give him perfect conditions and no pressure, and he's otherworldly.

Put a little squeeze on him and he won't "handle the track" every time.

If he runs again, he will never do anything better than his Kelso.
Outside of his not handling the track, what conditions were not perfect for him yesterday?

He sat just off the lead with no real pressure, no real trouble, nor was he hemmed in at the rail, bumped, or anything.

What squeeze are you referring to? The kind of squeeze Jackson Bend put on him in the Kelso?

The kind of squeeze Boys at Toscanova put on him in the Juvie? The kind of squeeze the front runners put on him in the Juvie?

What is this mysterious squeeze you refer to in the Wood? He had things totally his own way!!!!

Oh yes, the squeeze was the 20 mile long length of the Wood. Which was at least 18 miles further than when he won the BC Juvie a few months before.

How about the squeeze he felt in his debut? Oh, that's right, he's just a sprinter, so the conditions were absolutely tailor made for him there.

So, just to make sure I understand, all three of his losses were due to being under some sort of squeeze, right?

From where I sit, the only adversity this horse has ever had to face (during a race that is), was the comeback race against Caleb's Posse. He was coming off a significant layoff following his imaginary illness and had a trip that wasn't 100% to his advantage.

He's won over four different tracks, and outside of yesterdays loss, I've never heard anyone use the excuse that he didn't handle the track. Well, except for me after the Wood, but as it turned out, something else was wrong, which I had no way of knowing.

It's amazing how people will put blinkers on themselves to prove themselves right instead of using their visual abilities to see what is right in front of them.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:32 PM
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Ok. And let's leave watching a race with your eyes open to a race caller.
Yeah, you're right, I have no idea how to watch a horse race. I think that was made clear years ago.

Keep grasping at straws to explain the defeat away.
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