Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 814471)

I typically am a huge fan of Beyer...I didnt get this article at all

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 814466)

Did I miss something? What is bold about Goldikova and Havre De Grace? I guess the decision to run Mo in the Classic to some extent could be considered bold, but I'm not really buying that either. The consensus is he is the most talented horse. He should be given a chance to show that as long as he is healthy.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 814474)

Much was made about Lure staying in training and attempting a three-peat in the BC Mile. Goldikova, a 6yo, is going for her fourth straight victory in that race.

Much was made about Zenyatta being the first female to win the BC Classic in 20+ runnings. Havre De Grace is skipping the anemic Distaff and trying to become the second.

Uncle Mo is about as well spotted as the similarly campaigned French Deputy was in '95. At least he doesn't have to run against Cigar.

Then again, Larry Jones thinks Havre De Grace is as perfect a racehorse as Secretariat...

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 814474)

Uncle Mo is about as well spotted as the similarly campaigned French Deputy was in '95. At least he doesn't have to run against Cigar.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 814478)

Havre De Grace has already faced the boys and won. Her connections talk about her as the best horse in the world.... She belongs in the Classic. Not to mention Rachel and Z both faced the boys, and they both won HOTY. That's what HDG connections want, again she is where she belongs, where they have been pointing her. I don't see anything bold. Goldikova has been pointed to the Mile again for a year now. She has had no set backs, no injuries and has run pretty similar races as years past. Whats bold?

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 814479)

I know what you are trying to say by comparing those two horses, but the circumstances are vastly different.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 814482)

Take the blinkers off.

It's the bare bones scenario. Wasn't it bold of Freddie Head to declare right after the 2010 Mile that she would remain in training and target a 4th Mile? How many 6yo foreign mares do you see staying in training long enough to win the same race in the USA 4 years running? She could have dropped 1 or 2 foals worth millions apiece by now.

Wasn't it bold of Rick Porter to target the Woodward after getting beat by females in the Delaware Handicap? Isn't it bold of him to take on males a second time in the same year, when she's already got the Woodward victory in tow and with a Distaff victory nearly a foregone conclusion?

You seem to think that just because Porter and Head are actually following through with the plans they made several months ago, that somehow those plans are no longer bold. I guess they should have taken a cue from John Shirreffs and waited til a couple of days before the race to announce their intentions.



Maybe. For all we know, Secret Circle is the best juvenile out there, and may end up as a major Derby contender this winter. But Baffert wasn't bold enough to try him in the two-turn Juvenile.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 814473)

Perhaps the finest compliment Beyer has ever been given.

Originally Posted by MisterB (Post 814499)

so? I guess I am with the forces. Imagine that:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 814501)

I can't imagine that.

Mostly cause I don't care, but also because your reference to forces seems cryptic to me.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 814481)

If So You Think wins this race -- it will add to what has been a brutal on-going drought of consistant top class male dirt horses since Curlin retired.