Rep. Maxine Waters Calls For A Trillion-Dollar Jobs Program

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Put your hate aside for a second. What part of the above statement do you think isn't true? Do you think that premise is true or not?

I have no hate - I was merely addressing Ms. Waters in the same way that she addressed the Tea Party.

So if one is hate, so is the other.

Of course it's about getting jobs. BUT jobs created from tax money are not going to reduce the debt, which is the major force holding down the economy. We need jobs from the private sector - and as long as these jokers keep talking about raising taxes on individuals and corporations, we will continue to LOSE those to other countries.

And she ought to learn a little math. How the heck did she get the figure of $1 trillion? How is that broken down? Or does it matter since the only criteria is evidently to be larger than the last "stimulus"?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Of course it's about getting jobs. BUT jobs created from tax money are not going to reduce the debt, which is the major force holding down the economy.

Can you provide any support for the opinion that the debt is what is holding down the economy?

I have no hate - I was merely addressing Ms. Waters in the same way that she addressed the Tea Party.
So if one is hate, so is the other.

BTW - what in the world are you talking about here? Waters never referenced the Tea Party in that clip at all. Here's the word for word transcript - where did Waters address the Tea Party with "hate" as you said she did? Where did she address the Tea Party at all? Are you talking about something different?

Maxine Waters on Meet The Press (reference the President's speech):

"I absolutely agree that the President must be bold. I agree that he must have a jobs program, must create jobs. I’m talking about a program of a trillion dollars or more. We’ve got to put Americans to work. That’s the only way to revitalize this economy. When people work and they earn money, they spend that money, and that is what gets the economy up and going. I don't think he can shrink from the threat of the right, I don't think he can have a program that simply gives more tax breaks to the very people that got us into trouble in the first place. And so I'm hopeful, I'm very hopeful, that the President is going to put a big program out there, and that he is going to fight very hard for it"

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you provide any support for the opinion that the debt is what is holding down the economy?



BTW - what in the world are you talking about here? Waters never referenced the Tea Party in that clip at all. Here's the word for word transcript - where did Waters address the Tea Party with "hate" as you said she did? Where did she address the Tea Party at all? Are you talking about something different?

Maxine Waters on Meet The Press (reference the President's speech):

"I absolutely agree that the President must be bold. I agree that he must have a jobs program, must create jobs. I’m talking about a program of a trillion dollars or more. We’ve got to put Americans to work. That’s the only way to revitalize this economy. When people work and they earn money, they spend that money, and that is what gets the economy up and going. I don't think he can shrink from the threat of the right, I don't think he can have a program that simply gives more tax breaks to the very people that got us into trouble in the first place. And so I'm hopeful, I'm very hopeful, that the President is going to put a big program out there, and that he is going to fight very hard for it"

Her original inflammatory quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...eWJ_story.html

Sounds like she is being "hateful", in my opinion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Her original inflammatory quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...eWJ_story.html

Sounds like she is being "hateful", in my opinion.

It probably would have worked better if your answer was connected to the Waters quote from August, instead of something entirely different

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And those will kick in any time now, right? How much lower do taxes have to be before we start seeing all these wonderful private sector jobs? Is there a magic number?

C'mon - we've given major tax breaks to the Job Creators (different from The Creator, I think) since 2001 and 2003! The economy lost millions of jobs under those tax breaks. That proves clearly that more, more, more tax cuts are needed!

[Danzig]

no, those tax breaks all helped. think how much worse things would be without them. good thing theyve been extended, and payroll taxes are in obamas latest plan because they have worked so well, we need to keep those too.

[ateamstupid]

I don't get it. Most US Corporations' quarterly profits have never been higher and yet they somehow need more relief so they can create jobs? What fantasy world do people like joeydb live in that the private sector isn't making enough money to create jobs?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't get it. Most US Corporations' quarterly profits have never been higher and yet they somehow need more relief so they can create jobs? What fantasy world do people like joeydb live in that the private sector isn't making enough money to create jobs?

Do you have any idea how many corporations there are in the US? It is funny that all these US corporations are doing so well yet not expanding in the US. So there is this huge recession with high unemployment so people dont have money to spend but "most US corporations" are doing great? Where exactly is all the money coming from? What fantasy land do you live in where most US corporations profits have never been higher? Is Exxon or GE or Wal-Mart typical US corporations? At least separate Fortune 500 companies from the other 6 million or so corporations in the US when trying to make a point. Because if corporations are all doing so great why is the economy so bad?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you have any idea how many corporations there are in the US? It is funny that all these US corporations are doing so well yet not expanding in the US. So there is this huge recession with high unemployment so people dont have money to spend but "most US corporations" are doing great? Where exactly is all the money coming from? What fantasy land do you live in where most US corporations profits have never been higher? Is Exxon or GE or Wal-Mart typical US corporations? At least separate Fortune 500 companies from the other 6 million or so corporations in the US when trying to make a point. Because if corporations are all doing so great why is the economy so bad?

OK, Mr. Semantics, you know what I was getting at. This canard that our corporate tax rate is too high and that's what's preventing job creation is crap. The effective tax rate isn't anything close to 35% and you know that. The idea that if we give more breaks to companies that have never used them to hire people in the past, unemployment will shrink is a giant lie.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't get it. Most US Corporations' quarterly profits have never been higher and yet they somehow need more relief so they can create jobs? What fantasy world do people like joeydb live in that the private sector isn't making enough money to create jobs?

Yes, the cash figures have been higher but no one ever addresses the reality that the % are the same and since the $ isn't worth what is was the record profit argument is essentially moot. They are making plenty of cash and could sacrifice and provide people with jobs, it might actually create some good will and loyalty among spenders. It is all very unlikely though without some hand holding or ass kicking, though the latter seems like it will never happen.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Yes, the cash figures have been higher but no one ever addresses the reality that the % are the same and since the $ isn't worth what is was the record profit argument is essentially moot. They are making plenty of cash and could sacrifice and provide people with jobs, it might actually create some good will and loyalty among spenders. It is all very unlikely though without some hand holding or ass kicking, though the latter seems like it will never happen.

The latter is the only message they will understand and the only way out of this mess. It won't happen thus I don't like what is in store. Notice the increasing violence in this country?

GBBob the group that is laughing are the type who have no survival skills and will be the prey when their entitlement Utopia collapses.

The poor will be roving gangs fed race-hating propaganda by the mainstream media.

It is mathematically impossible to get out of debt. It's not a matter of if, but when.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

The latter is the only message they will understand and the only way out of this mess. It won't happen thus I don't like what is in store. Notice the increasing violence in this country?

Regarding the violence, not really. It seemed to be falling over the years.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/viort.cfm

That said, there are areas and pockets of the country where it has been on the rise according to what is on the news any way.

Regarding the way out of this mess, not sure there is one really. None of the current group in DC or wanting in DC have any shot at fixing it.