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joeydb 09-07-2011 07:17 AM
Rep. Maxine Waters Calls For A Trillion-Dollar Jobs Program
 
A trillion doesn't mean anything to those who aren't going to pay the loan back.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...s_program.html

Hey Maxine, speaking as a supporter of the Tea Party, YOU can go straight to Hell.

Riot 09-07-2011 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 805406)
A trillion doesn't mean anything to those who aren't going to pay the loan back.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...s_program.html

Hey Maxine, speaking as a supporter of the Tea Party, YOU can go straight to Hell.
Quote:
"We’ve got to put Americans to work. That’s the only way to revitalize this economy. When people work they earn money, they spend that money, and that’s what gets the economy up and going,"
Put your hate aside for a second. What part of the above statement do you think isn't true? Do you think that premise is true or not?

joeydb 09-07-2011 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 805484)
Put your hate aside for a second. What part of the above statement do you think isn't true? Do you think that premise is true or not?
I have no hate - I was merely addressing Ms. Waters in the same way that she addressed the Tea Party.

So if one is hate, so is the other.

Of course it's about getting jobs. BUT jobs created from tax money are not going to reduce the debt, which is the major force holding down the economy. We need jobs from the private sector - and as long as these jokers keep talking about raising taxes on individuals and corporations, we will continue to LOSE those to other countries.

And she ought to learn a little math. How the heck did she get the figure of $1 trillion? How is that broken down? Or does it matter since the only criteria is evidently to be larger than the last "stimulus"?

Riot 09-07-2011 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 805516)
Of course it's about getting jobs. BUT jobs created from tax money are not going to reduce the debt, which is the major force holding down the economy.
Can you provide any support for the opinion that the debt is what is holding down the economy?

Quote:
I have no hate - I was merely addressing Ms. Waters in the same way that she addressed the Tea Party.
So if one is hate, so is the other.
BTW - what in the world are you talking about here? Waters never referenced the Tea Party in that clip at all. Here's the word for word transcript - where did Waters address the Tea Party with "hate" as you said she did? Where did she address the Tea Party at all? Are you talking about something different?

Maxine Waters on Meet The Press (reference the President's speech):

"I absolutely agree that the President must be bold. I agree that he must have a jobs program, must create jobs. I’m talking about a program of a trillion dollars or more. We’ve got to put Americans to work. That’s the only way to revitalize this economy. When people work and they earn money, they spend that money, and that is what gets the economy up and going. I don't think he can shrink from the threat of the right, I don't think he can have a program that simply gives more tax breaks to the very people that got us into trouble in the first place. And so I'm hopeful, I'm very hopeful, that the President is going to put a big program out there, and that he is going to fight very hard for it"

Riot 09-07-2011 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 805522)
And those will kick in any time now, right? How much lower do taxes have to be before we start seeing all these wonderful private sector jobs? Is there a magic number?
C'mon - we've given major tax breaks to the Job Creators (different from The Creator, I think) since 2001 and 2003! The economy lost millions of jobs under those tax breaks. That proves clearly that more, more, more tax cuts are needed!

Danzig 09-07-2011 06:45 PM
no, those tax breaks all helped. think how much worse things would be without them. good thing theyve been extended, and payroll taxes are in obamas latest plan because they have worked so well, we need to keep those too.

ateamstupid 09-07-2011 08:31 PM
I don't get it. Most US Corporations' quarterly profits have never been higher and yet they somehow need more relief so they can create jobs? What fantasy world do people like joeydb live in that the private sector isn't making enough money to create jobs?

GBBob 09-07-2011 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 805406)
A trillion doesn't mean anything to those who aren't going to pay the loan back.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...s_program.html

Hey Maxine, speaking as a supporter of the Tea Party, YOU can go straight to Hell.
Joey...in 5 years The Tea Party will be Ross Perot.

EDIT...They will be irrelevant soon. You can't exist as a real force in politics let alone a "Major" party without having a middle ground. Being "angry" is a cute trend but while you think you are the voice of America, most of us are laughing at you. It's easy just to swoop in during tough times pretending to advance an economic change and spout unrealistic rhetoric while quitely having a social agenda...guns, abortion, gay rights, religion..that is out of touch. At the end of the day we fight over 10% of the public that votes and changes their vote every 4 years. PLEASE..nominate a Tea Party candidate..I'll take my chances.

Coach Pants 09-07-2011 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 805572)
Joey...in 5 years The Tea Party will be Ross Perot.
We'll see about that. The game is over, IMO. There won't be an America once the global markets collapse. Sovereignty will officially be a thing of the past.

There is absolutely no way to avoid the global collapse. NONE. The Swiss and Germans dived in this week. There is no fiat currency that's worth the paper it's printed on.

GBBob 09-07-2011 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 805575)
We'll see about that. The game is over, IMO. There won't be an America once the global markets collapse. Sovereignty will officially be a thing of the past.

There is absolutely no way to avoid the global collapse. NONE. The Swiss and Germans dived in this week. There is no fiat currency that's worth the paper it's printed on.
When the Swiss collapse, I'll help you build the bunker.

Coach Pants 09-07-2011 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 805576)
When the Swiss collapse, I'll help you build the bunker.
Devaluing the franc in a foolish attempt to prop the already dead euro is going to put them at risk. Plus Goldman is recommending that their top clients move to the franc.

Yeah...they haven't trapped people before.

Riot 09-07-2011 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 805572)
Joey...in 5 years The Tea Party will be Ross Perot.
The Tea Party is just the John Birch Society with a new name.

Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 805565)
I don't get it. Most US Corporations' quarterly profits have never been higher and yet they somehow need more relief so they can create jobs? What fantasy world do people like joeydb live in that the private sector isn't making enough money to create jobs?
Do you have any idea how many corporations there are in the US? It is funny that all these US corporations are doing so well yet not expanding in the US. So there is this huge recession with high unemployment so people dont have money to spend but "most US corporations" are doing great? Where exactly is all the money coming from? What fantasy land do you live in where most US corporations profits have never been higher? Is Exxon or GE or Wal-Mart typical US corporations? At least separate Fortune 500 companies from the other 6 million or so corporations in the US when trying to make a point. Because if corporations are all doing so great why is the economy so bad?

Cannon Shell 09-07-2011 11:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 805572)
Joey...in 5 years The Tea Party will be Ross Perot.

EDIT...They will be irrelevant soon. You can't exist as a real force in politics let alone a "Major" party without having a middle ground. Being "angry" is a cute trend but while you think you are the voice of America, most of us are laughing at you. It's easy just to swoop in during tough times pretending to advance an economic change and spout unrealistic rhetoric while quitely having a social agenda...guns, abortion, gay rights, religion..that is out of touch. At the end of the day we fight over 10% of the public that votes and changes their vote every 4 years. PLEASE..nominate a Tea Party candidate..I'll take my chances.
Worked for Obama

ateamstupid 09-08-2011 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 805614)
Do you have any idea how many corporations there are in the US? It is funny that all these US corporations are doing so well yet not expanding in the US. So there is this huge recession with high unemployment so people dont have money to spend but "most US corporations" are doing great? Where exactly is all the money coming from? What fantasy land do you live in where most US corporations profits have never been higher? Is Exxon or GE or Wal-Mart typical US corporations? At least separate Fortune 500 companies from the other 6 million or so corporations in the US when trying to make a point. Because if corporations are all doing so great why is the economy so bad?
OK, Mr. Semantics, you know what I was getting at. This canard that our corporate tax rate is too high and that's what's preventing job creation is crap. The effective tax rate isn't anything close to 35% and you know that. The idea that if we give more breaks to companies that have never used them to hire people in the past, unemployment will shrink is a giant lie.

GBBob 09-08-2011 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 805615)
Worked for Obama
Yeah.,.but unfortunately ( at least from my perspective), he is closer to the right than the left on Social Issues. Although, admittedly, it's hard to get all worked up about those with the financial stuff going on

joeydb 09-08-2011 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 805572)
Joey...in 5 years The Tea Party will be Ross Perot.

EDIT...They will be irrelevant soon. You can't exist as a real force in politics let alone a "Major" party without having a middle ground. Being "angry" is a cute trend but while you think you are the voice of America, most of us are laughing at you. It's easy just to swoop in during tough times pretending to advance an economic change and spout unrealistic rhetoric while quitely having a social agenda...guns, abortion, gay rights, religion..that is out of touch. At the end of the day we fight over 10% of the public that votes and changes their vote every 4 years. PLEASE..nominate a Tea Party candidate..I'll take my chances.
Normally I would agree with your rationale as you specify above - anger does not cohesively act as a political force over a long period of time.

But, in this case, the Tea Party's primary objection, to the exclusion of all other concerns, is to runaway spending and an ever increasing national debt. I don't see either of those factors going away, getting less publicity, or getting radically better to the point where they are less important.

So I think the Tea Party will be around for quite a while - though it may evolve to something else - different name, more PACs and conventions...

Ross Perot is an interesting example as he was a significant player in the debate and election - but not enough to get his own electoral college votes. And he started out with the "United We Stand America" group, which eventually became "The Reform Party". Had they NOT become an independent party, and backed one man - their founder Ross Perot - they might still have been around today. A vibrant "Reform" organization would have been the natural place for today's "Tea Partiers" to gravitate to.

joeydb 09-08-2011 06:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot (Post 805517)
Can you provide any support for the opinion that the debt is what is holding down the economy?



BTW - what in the world are you talking about here? Waters never referenced the Tea Party in that clip at all. Here's the word for word transcript - where did Waters address the Tea Party with "hate" as you said she did? Where did she address the Tea Party at all? Are you talking about something different?

Maxine Waters on Meet The Press (reference the President's speech):

"I absolutely agree that the President must be bold. I agree that he must have a jobs program, must create jobs. I’m talking about a program of a trillion dollars or more. We’ve got to put Americans to work. That’s the only way to revitalize this economy. When people work and they earn money, they spend that money, and that is what gets the economy up and going. I don't think he can shrink from the threat of the right, I don't think he can have a program that simply gives more tax breaks to the very people that got us into trouble in the first place. And so I'm hopeful, I'm very hopeful, that the President is going to put a big program out there, and that he is going to fight very hard for it"
Her original inflammatory quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...eWJ_story.html

Sounds like she is being "hateful", in my opinion.

Clip-Clop 09-08-2011 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 805565)
I don't get it. Most US Corporations' quarterly profits have never been higher and yet they somehow need more relief so they can create jobs? What fantasy world do people like joeydb live in that the private sector isn't making enough money to create jobs?
Yes, the cash figures have been higher but no one ever addresses the reality that the % are the same and since the $ isn't worth what is was the record profit argument is essentially moot. They are making plenty of cash and could sacrifice and provide people with jobs, it might actually create some good will and loyalty among spenders. It is all very unlikely though without some hand holding or ass kicking, though the latter seems like it will never happen.

jms62 09-08-2011 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 805644)
Yes, the cash figures have been higher but no one ever addresses the reality that the % are the same and since the $ isn't worth what is was the record profit argument is essentially moot. They are making plenty of cash and could sacrifice and provide people with jobs, it might actually create some good will and loyalty among spenders. It is all very unlikely though without some hand holding or ass kicking, though the latter seems like it will never happen.
The latter is the only message they will understand and the only way out of this mess. It won't happen thus I don't like what is in store. Notice the increasing violence in this country?


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