unions killing jobs...

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Originally Posted by Mike2456

Yes, but those individual tests measure a child's performance. And a teacher's performance can be measured upon the success of their students that they teach. And yes, such results can be skewed.

You said such measures don't exist. I am simply pointing out they do.

The particulars of the measurement as stated above allow for far too many variables to transfer the success or failure onto the teacher, this makes it very hard to consider it either mathematical or scientific.
I was a A-B student for the most part (I was an extra-ordinary test taker though) , I learned more from the better teachers but I was going to test the same either way. One example but there are plenty of really smart kids who cannot test at all.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The particulars of the measurement as stated above allow for far too many variables to transfer the success or failure onto the teacher, this makes it very hard to consider it either mathematical or scientific.
I was a A-B student for the most part (I was an extra-ordinary test taker though) , I learned more from the better teachers but I was going to test the same either way. One example but there are plenty of really smart kids who cannot test at all.

I don't think that assessing teacher performance is any more difficult than assessing the performance of other professions. The position that teacher performance is simply impossible to assess objectively doesn't hold up. If you have two classrooms in the same school, both teaching third grade math using the same textbooks and cirriculae, and one classroom of students scores consistently better on the same tests than the second classroom, you bet the first teacher should be considered objectively better.

But my point, going back to the original discussion, remains that I think that demonizing the vast majority of teachers in the US as incompetent and useless overpaid union thugs is absurd.

That meme is simply the current stated political ploy of the Republican party via ALEC and the RGA on the state level, since last year, in order to attempt to de-unionize school districts and thus privatize them.

People won't give up local control of their school districts unless they are convinced that the current situation is untenable. This is how the RGA, ALEC are trying to convince them.

The proof lives in example, Wisconsin is a good one: the unions agreed to every budget cut necessary, but the Republican governor still busted the union.

It's not about budgets and deficits. It's about union-busting as the first step.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I don't think that assessing teacher performance is any more difficult than assessing the performance of other professions. The position that teacher performance is simply impossible to assess objectively doesn't hold up. If you have two classrooms in the same school, both teaching third grade math using the same textbooks and cirriculae, and one classroom of students scores consistently better on the same tests than the second classroom, you bet the first teacher should be considered objectively better.

But my point, going back to the original discussion, remains that I think that demonizing the vast majority of teachers in the US as incompetent and useless overpaid union thugs is absurd.

That meme is simply the current stated political ploy of the Republican party via ALEC and the RGA on the state level, since last year, in order to attempt to de-unionize school districts and thus privatize them.

People won't give up local control of their school districts unless they are convinced that the current situation is untenable. This is how the RGA, ALEC are trying to convince them.

The proof lives in example, Wisconsin is a good one: the unions agreed to every budget cut necessary, but the Republican governor still busted the union.

It's not about budgets and deficits. It's about union-busting as the first step.

They were done a favor, individual bargaining is a far better practice.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

They were done a favor, individual bargaining is a far better practice.

At least you admit it really is all about union-busting, and Gov. Walker was lying to his constituents.

Ah, big brother government - Republicans - telling individuals what is best for their own interests, and limiting their freedoms.

Some in the far right simply cannot see their hypocrisy.

You could raise a family with $45,000. This country was built by immigrants who had large families and lived in poverty.

Materialism is bullshit. Love is free.

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Originally Posted by Riot

At least you admit it really is all about union-busting, and Gov. Walker was lying to his constituents.

Ah, big brother government - Republicans - telling individuals what is best for their own interests, and limiting their freedoms.

Some in the far right simply cannot see their hypocrisy.

Unions still exist. Not busted, just in a better spot now.

Big Brother government. All sides! Telling government and private sector employees what is best for everyone, especially the voting block that favors them.

I know and let it be know where I stand on any and all issues, just ask. There are no politicians I know of who share my views.