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Yes, $45K is a tremendous amount of money in my mind. Except when it costs $2000 a month for housing, food, car, utilities, and student loan payback is another $500 a month, and retirement savings is 10% of take home. Then add in those that think evil teachers unions are destroying this country, so don't give them healthcare at work, take that away! Or make them pay $250 a month for it! Yes, raise a family on what's left out of that $45K after the above. Nobody deserves free money. They of course have to earn it through their competence no matter their profession or job. But this country is in very, very deep trouble, we are no longer an elite first world country, and that problem was not caused by teachers unions. We have " ... A republic - if you can keep it". I have serious doubts about the future of the next 50 years of this country.
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Tell us - what annual income do you think is sufficient to raise a family of 4 nowadays? And I wanted to ask you, as you said: Quote:
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![]() That is completely based on where you live. In Denver, my current home, 60-80K should be plenty, you will not be in high cotton but will be comfortable. In the area of NJ I grew up in 45K puts at the top of the earnings list for sure. In the next town over in NJ you would need 100-140K to be OK. In Kentucky or West Virginia or most rural areas in the mid-west I would think 50-60K should be fine.
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It's easy when you guess, isn't it ![]() Then you said that is just a starting salary. So how many teachers in that town in NJ earn 100-140K? or 60K in West Virginia? Look: you think 80% of teachers are freeloading incompetents, with great salaries and benefits, and teachers unions enable it. You said teachers unions have destroyed the majority of schools in this country. I say that's wrong. We should just leave it at that.
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I never felt I made enough money to support a family of four and maintain the lifestyle I enjoy, therefore guessing is my only option since my wife and I have chosen not to parent without the money to back it up. I know the following as fact; what I was raised on and where, what my employees that have families get paid, I know what I pay them and where they live. The Denver numbers are based on facts. The NJ numbers are based on friends with families and their estimated (or actual in some cases) salaries since I know what they do for a living.
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![]() Those are methods for measure a schools performance. These results are very skewed based on location, income of the district, working parents (both, one or neither) etc. And I think they are the standards of the No Child Act.
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I was a A-B student for the most part (I was an extra-ordinary test taker though) , I learned more from the better teachers but I was going to test the same either way. One example but there are plenty of really smart kids who cannot test at all.
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But my point, going back to the original discussion, remains that I think that demonizing the vast majority of teachers in the US as incompetent and useless overpaid union thugs is absurd. That meme is simply the current stated political ploy of the Republican party via ALEC and the RGA on the state level, since last year, in order to attempt to de-unionize school districts and thus privatize them. People won't give up local control of their school districts unless they are convinced that the current situation is untenable. This is how the RGA, ALEC are trying to convince them. The proof lives in example, Wisconsin is a good one: the unions agreed to every budget cut necessary, but the Republican governor still busted the union. It's not about budgets and deficits. It's about union-busting as the first step.
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![]() since the median u.s. income is right at 45-46k, i'd have to think that plenty of families are being raised on that amount of money.
can you live in a mcmansion and drive a benz? probably not. teachers have kids in front of them 178 days out of the year-which is less than half the year. the two week break at christmas is more vacation than most people get per year. that doesn't count spring break, t'giving, etc, etc. i can think of worse jobs.
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That's the whole point - teaching is one of the most important professions, and they are currently thoroughly demonized here is the good old United States. It's pathetic what this country has become.
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![]() hey, i worked in the schools for five years. i love history, and have been told a million times i would be a great teacher-no thanks. i know how it is there. but, cops and firemen don't get rich doing what they do, and neither do teachers. is it right? probably not. could it be worse? sure. are teachers and their kids on food stamps? i doubt it.
i don't think teachers get demonized..but when people start saying that 45k isn't enough...yeah, that's not going to evoke a lot of sympathy right now.
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Not suffer from having their best people who "burn out" after 15 years. And yes, calling 80% of teachers in this country incompetent freeloaders is indeed demonizing them. I spent most of my life hearing how teachers are never paid enough, how they are unsung heroes in this country, how they are not paid in line for the important and essential job they do. Now the societal meme (pushed by the GOP) is that they suck and it's evil teachers and their unions' fault we have no money. Screw the GOP and their attempt to steal the last pennies from this country.
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In the 1950's-1960's, yes, the father worked, the mother stayed home and raised the kids. In the 1960's-1970's, that changed, and the mother had to go to work to afford the same lifestyle. In the 1970's-1980's, Americans put that lifestyle on a charge card, if they wanted it, with two incomes. In the 1990's, Americans mortgaged their homes to maintain that 1950's middle class lifestyle. 2011- the economy crashed. There is hardly any middle class left. They have no more money or credit to spend. The wealth disparity in this country is the greatest it's ever been. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011...ca-chart-graph (A great page of data explaining this nation's current troubles) Quote:
That's ... not first world country income. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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