Is Social Security A Good Investment?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

The insurance exchanges setups (private companies providing the insurance) are meant to provide direct, purely capitalistic competition between companies for one's business that will lower prices for all.

People with insurance offers through work will not be eligible for the exchanges, they have to purchase from work. The ACA is trying to insure those without insurance options, left adrift by our current healthcare insurance system. Not those who can get insurance.

Except these employees will not be forced to get the insurance available to them, because the Republicans demanded that all these small businesses be excluded.

It is repeatedly distressing to have people discussing the value of the ACA, and passing judgment upon it, when the factual provisions of the ACA are clearly not known to them. Those provisions are readily available, and have been since the law was passed, on the internet in easily-understandable bullet point websites geared to familiarizing people with the truth - not the GOP screaming August health care town hall ads and lies about government takeover of health care - of what the ACA actually contains.



Or you could do it the way the ACA is set up. The ACA is attempting to get the currrently uninsured, insured. By private insurance companies. Not "the government". It doesn't change anything for those with insurance (other than the existence of the exchanges should make an employers choice for purchasing health insurance for their employees less expensive with greater competitive options)

but as i posted, you can't make them buy. and if they arent insured, the risk is all on them. and if people 'can't afford' employer subsidized group coverage, they certainly cant afford to buy outside of the group.
people want ins, want coverage, want care, want whats right...they just dont want to pay for it. i dont care if obamacare is all wrapped up and with a bow, there are people who dont see or feel a need, and wont pay. and no doubt they dont have car or life ins either.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i dont care if obamacare is all wrapped up and with a bow, there are people who dont see or feel a need, and wont pay. and no doubt they dont have car or life ins either.

Yes, but out of the 60 million currently uninsured, I doubt they are remotely near a significant number. Most uninsured will be very grateful to be able to finally afford their own health insurance, and/or be insured for the illnesses and problems their current insurance company denies them coverage for.

I'll remind that most bankruptcies in this country are due to medical bills, and most of those bankruptcies are people who have insurance.

That simply doesn't occur in other first world countries. We are backwards and woefully inadequate, here in the US, with our health care.

[Danzig]

i've been told that about 40% of drivers here are uninsured. it's a significant amount. no doubt they're as blase' about health insurance.
thing is, like i said, people wail and moan about health costs-but many wouldn't have those issues had they opted for the insurance. i think the numbers would surprise you of people who simply chose not to take coverage. i see it every day. people who can afford insurance, be it for life, health, car, etc. they don't see a need. their excuse-why pay for something i'll never use? because all it takes is one catastrophe, but they don't look at it that way.