It's all about the kids

[wiphan]

MPS teacher's voices were heard today or maybe the union rigged the survey....

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/126336843.html

[Duvalier]

It's all about the scabs

[Riot]

Peterson said in his statement to members that some people might use the survey to continue their scapegoating of teachers. But teachers didn't create the financial crisis in Wisconsin, he said.

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

[Danzig]

no, they didnt cause the problems...altho some might argue that they are a part of a huge problem...be that as it may, i find it interesting that the haves dont want to give a little to help some have nots change their status from unemployed to employed. yep, way to help your union brethren.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, they didnt cause the problems...altho some might argue that they are a part of a huge problem...be that as it may, i find it interesting that the haves dont want to give a little to help some have nots change their status from unemployed to employed. yep, way to help your union brethren.

It is split virtually 50-50 (52-48) so yeah, after already taking a big hit to their salary and pensions, 48% of them are willing to do some more.

Teachers have never been paid enough, nor respected enough in this country. It's very sad. Look at the the ridiculous demonization of teachers the Republican Governors decided upon last year at their convention, to enable them to try and privatize some aspects of government.

Probably why we don't get the high quality of teachers some other countries raise, that would get us into the top 25 in math, science and reading.

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

who are the lazy and entitled?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

It is split virtually 50-50 (52-48) so yeah, after already taking a big hit to their salary and pensions, 48% of them are willing to do some more.

Teachers have never been paid enough, nor respected enough in this country. It's very sad. Look at the the ridiculous demonization of teachers the Republican Governors decided upon last year at their convention, to enable them to try and privatize some aspects of government.

Probably why we don't get the high quality of teachers some other countries raise, that would get us into the top 25 in math, science and reading.

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

lazy and entitled wont ever wake up about anyhing...their laziness and sense of entitlement precludes that.
as for the teachers and their thought process....we somehow found money to pay more teachers when class size became the watchword...apparently now that is out the window. teachers bit hook line and sinker when their unions pushed for more teachers~unions benefittted, no one else. had teachers thought a bit, they might have siad no, wait. dont hire more~just pay us more. higher pay, more interest, more applicants, a better gene pool, thus better teachers and a better product.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It is split virtually 50-50 (52-48) so yeah, after already taking a big hit to their salary and pensions, 48% of them are willing to do some more.

Teachers have never been paid enough, nor respected enough in this country. It's very sad. Look at the the ridiculous demonization of teachers the Republican Governors decided upon last year at their convention, to enable them to try and privatize some aspects of government.

Probably why we don't get the high quality of teachers some other countries raise, that would get us into the top 25 in math, science and reading.

When are the lazy and entitled of this country going to wake up and realize that if you want to be in the Top Ten countries in math, science, reading, you have to work at it, you have to emphasize it, and that also costs money?

Just so you know MPS teachers made no concessions and did not receive a decrease in salary or an increase in any of their own personal contribution. They contribute zero towards their pension or healthcare. They rushed their contracts thru so they could do this and then cried and blamed Walker when he cut their budget.

The problem is with the parents not the teachers. The parents need to take responsibility for their children and not treat our educational system as just free daycare until their child turns 18. The reason we don't get high quality teachers is the union system of seniority etc. There is no financial motivation for a teacher to do better than their peers and the guy who turns on the movie projector every day gets paid the same as the teacher who puts in 10-12 hours. The system is broken and WI is trying to change that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

and to think a good 30-40% of their students are reading at the level they're supposed to be when being advanced, that's huge!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

So asking someone to contribute an extremely small portion of their income to a pension is unreasonable? If contributing 5.8% of my salary to my own pension improved my working conditions and allowed my company to rehire fellow workers I would see no issue in it.

Personally I believe the survey was rigged by the union to make the teachers look bad. Some teachers even called in to local radio stations prior to the survey and stated this was going to happen. The union comes out of this looking good and the teachers are to blame.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Riot

Those effing rich bastard teachers, living the life of luxury and having to purchase their own classroom supplies out of their pockets. Overpaid and overappreciated! Teachers have always been what's bad about this country. Greedy SOB's.

My kid's school sends out a list of supplies needed before each school year and another list mid-year. Parents are encouraged to buy extras for the kids that can't afford it (many do). When it is all said and done, that the teachers spend very little, if any, out of their own pocket.

This is only one school, but I would be surprised if others don't do it.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

My kid's school sends out a list of supplies needed before each school year and another list mid-year. Parents are encouraged to buy extras for the kids that can't afford it (many do). When it is all said and done, that the teachers spend very little, if any, out of their own pocket.

This is only one school, but I would be surprised if others don't do it.

We do the same, and I always ask if there are any deficiencies in any of their supplies, I help when I can. I know some parents do scrape to get by.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

My kid's school sends out a list of supplies needed before each school year and another list mid-year. Parents are encouraged to buy extras for the kids that can't afford it (many do). When it is all said and done, that the teachers spend very little, if any, out of their own pocket.

This is only one school, but I would be surprised if others don't do it.

No, I'm talking about all the classroom supplies teachers purchase themselves: stuff they put on the bulletin boards, ancillary supplies, overheads, etc.

The school only supplies teachers with an empty classroom, empty walls, and books.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I'm talking about all the classroom supplies teachers purchase themselves: stuff they put on the bulletin boards, ancillary supplies, overheads, etc.

The school only supplies teachers with an empty classroom, empty walls, and books.

This is a very broad statement and is not true in all schools, but why let the facts get in the way