Gov. Walker costs Wisconsin millions

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. It could be magic. Or voluntary donations.

apparently you think cutting spending in one area to pay for another project is Magic. Now I know why you support Obama so much. You'd fit in perfect in "status-quo Washington".

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You mean like how to refuse federal grants that would have paid for the massive immediate repairs your old rail system needs, then immediately beg for the federal grant again, then when you don't get the federal grant you said you'd refuse but begged for again, borrow millions you don't have and go into hock while busting your budget by $24 million?

Do you and reality have a serious relationship, or just the rare hook up?

again, it is extremely responsible to not accept 810 million when all you need is 24 million.

considering your political views, you should be mad at the guys in Washington that didnt give Walker his 24 million, not Walker for asking for it. whats up with that?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

apparently you think cutting spending in one area to pay for another project is Magic. Now I know why you support Obama so much. You'd fit in perfect in "status-quo Washington".

You're right, I didn't mention cutting spending. That is because the Wisconsin budget already seems slashed to the bone by Walker.

Walker could fire some more teachers, I guess.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

again, it is extremely responsible to not accept 810 million when all you need is 24 million.

considering your political views, you should be mad at the guys in Washington that didnt give Walker his 24 million, not Walker for asking for it. whats up with that?

The 24 million was no longer available. It was immediately given to Illinois.

What do you think about Walker declining the federal funds, but then trying to get them back later? Would you view that as irresponsible?

Ooo - and aren't you happy Obama is FINALLY supporting overturn of DOMA? (see the new "respect for marriage act" I guess that would be RFMA)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

The 24 million was no longer available. It was immediately given to Illinois.

What do you think about Walker declining the federal funds, but then trying to get them back later? Would you view that as irresponsible?

I find it responsible when it is a 24 : 810 ratio. if it was a 1 :1 ratio, very irresponsible.

and its a great thing that the budget is slashed to the bone. Washington should do the same thing. only what is absolutely needed should be spent. not the billions (trillions) of waste we have. its one thing if we had a surplus, but we dont (instead we have a monsterous deficit made by both parties) so we need to stop acting like we do.

[Antitrust32]

respect for marriage would make me feel better if it wasnt the Dems version of "cut, cap and whatever".

basically just words for voters with no hope of getting accomplished any time soon.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

respect for marriage would make me feel better if it wasnt the Dems version of "cut, cap and whatever".

basically just words for voters with no hope of getting accomplished any time soon.

It is just coming out of Committee. The Senate would pass it, the House is the question.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

It is just coming out of Committee. The Senate would pass it, the House is the question.

the articles I've read about it just make it out to be political jargon. A way for dem politicians to make one section of the voting public happy (gays), while at the same time not actually having to vote on it incase it makes another section of the voting public unhappy (some religious folks). Like I said, the same thing as cut cap and still spend too much (republicans trying to make the tea party happy while knowing it wont pass)

DOMA is so unconstitutional I have no idea how it is still a law.

[Danzig]

considering how much revenue is generated by fuel tax, im surprised that any govt. would support spending a lot of money to get less people to drive.

[dellinger63]

Gov. Scott Walker says the state has reached a settlement to repay the patients’ compensation fund for $200 million plus $35 million in loss of earnings and interest.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled last year that the state had to repay the fund and pay interest on the transfer that was done under a bipartisan deal reached with then-Gov. Jim Doyle and the Legislature to help balance the state budget in 2007.

http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/lates...er-settlement/

"Walker should have known this would happen and run for Gov prior to 2007. All his fault and to even mention Jim Doyle, like he was in charge, how dare them!" muttered Riot, while surfing Islamphobia.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/lates...er-settlement/

"Walker should have known this would happen and run for Gov prior to 2007. All his fault and to even mention Jim Doyle, like he was in charge, how dare them!" muttered Riot, while surfing Islamphobia.

Well, no, but I'm hardly surprised repeated exposure has given you any lucid real cognizance of my political views.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You're right, I didn't mention cutting spending. That is because the Wisconsin budget already seems slashed to the bone by Walker.

Walker could fire some more teachers, I guess.

To be fair Walker did not fire any teachers. The only teachers that lost their jobs are as a result of their union not willing to compromise. But again it is all about the kids

Still waiting for proof that high speed rail will be profitable or even self sustainable....

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

To be fair Walker did not fire any teachers. The only teachers that lost their jobs are as a result of their union not willing to compromise. But again it is all about the kids

That's not true. Do you even read your papers in your state? The teachers' union immediately agreed to all Walker's budget cuts in their pension and health care. Immediately. Why are you saying differently? That's not remotely true.

Still waiting for proof that high speed rail will be profitable or even self sustainable....

Are you going to hold your breath? Your previous legislature thought it would be a great thing for the state, as do all the other states that accepted it. Illinois sure jumped on taking the extra money Wisconsin turned down. Gov. Walker says no, and turned it down.

Guess you'll just have to wait 10 years to see the actual outcome.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not true. Do you even read your papers in your state? The union immediately agreed to Walker's budget cuts in their pension and health care. Immediately.



Are you going to hold your breath? Your previous legislature thought it would be a great thing for the state, as do all the other states that accepted it. Illinois sure jumped on taking the extra money Wisconsin turned down. Gov. Walker says no, and turned it down.

Guess you'll just have to wait 10 years to see the actual outcome.

The only teachers that lost their jobs were from MPS who ram rodded their contracts in before the bill passed and refused to reopen them. All of the districts that implemented Walkers reforms are seeing benefits and many are even seeing surplusses. Yes the poor teachers actually had to contribute a very small portion to their pension(which most people don't even have) and a small portion of their cadillac health insurance.

Please show me anything that stated that high speed rail would even be self sustainable. Do you know that the "L" in chicago which is highly used is not self sustainable?

[Riot]

Please show me anything that stated that high speed rail would even be self sustainable.

http://www.fra.dot.gov/rpd/passenger/2243.shtml

Of course, you'll have to click on through and read the in-depth projections and financial pages of course.

But you have already made up your mind. Your governor agrees. Other governors and states disagree.

So you just need to stand by for 10 years or so, at the ready to hop in and say, "I told you so!" if the project fails

Do you know that the "L" in chicago which is highly used is not self sustainable?

LOL - that's about as logical an argument as saying that because the Edsel failed as a car, the current model that Ford is working on for 2013 won't make a profit, either.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

http://www.fra.dot.gov/rpd/passenger/2243.shtml

Of course, you'll have to click on through and read the in-depth projections and financial pages of course.

But you have already made up your mind. Your governor agrees. Other governors and states disagree.

So you just need to stand by for 10 years or so, at the ready to hop in and say, "I told you so!" if the project fails



LOL - that's about as logical an argument as saying that because the Edsel failed as a car, the current model that Ford is working on for 2013 won't make a profit, either.

Your right I am wrong. High speed rail is the future. Who wouldn't be willing to dish out $50+ dollars to go from Milwaukee to Madison and then have to find a cab or bus line or other transportation once I get there. Never mind the fact that it wouldn't stop at Miller Park, State Fair Park or any reasonable destination.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Your right I am wrong. High speed rail is the future. Who wouldn't be willing to dish out $50+ dollars to go from Milwaukee to Madison and then have to find a cab or bus line or other transportation once I get there. Never mind the fact that it wouldn't stop at Miller Park, State Fair Park or any reasonable destination.

Geeshus cripes. Grow the eff up and stop with the passive aggressive whiner crap. We are talking about a concrete project. Some say it will never pay or be worthwhile (you, Walker). Some say it will (me, other states).

People make an objective assessment based upon available data and go forward from that, and the project goes forward.

Sorry, no matter how much you want it to be true, you can't declare it a success or a failure until the damn thing at least exists. Sorry, concrete projects are not subject to the whims of your political beliefs, no matter how determined you are to assess it within those parameters rather than via objective date.

Yeah - we'll know the final outcome in 10 years or so, after it actually exists, and is up and running for a while.

Geeshus cripes, is thinking really too ****ing hard nowadays?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Geeshus cripes. Grow the eff up and stop with the passive aggressive whiner crap. We are talking about a concrete project. Some say it will never pay or be worthwhile (you, Walker). Some say it will (me, other states).

Like a mother who wants her ugly daughter to enter a beauty contest when the daughter is yelling NO!

Some, actually most in WI say you and other States (especially IL) are idiots!

You really don't get it!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Like a mother who wants her ugly daughter to enter a beauty contest when the daughter is yelling NO!

Some, actually most in WI say you and other States (especially IL) are idiots!

You really don't get it!

So why are you so freaked out about what happens in other states?

You're not getting the high speed rail. Whew! You are saved! You are not getting the huge federal grant that went with it, that pays for millions and millions of repair and upgrade to what you already have. Your Governor tried to get those federal funds back, and failed. Now he's gotta borrow millions and millions of dollars, at higher interest than the federal funds, at more expense to the taxpayers, putting his "balanced budget" millions in the red, (oh, yeah, and 47% over budget now) and you have to pay for it personally. And all you have in the end is the antiquated rail you have now

Yay! Enjoy being so smart! Be sure to laugh at the other states in 10 years, suffering through their economic development corridor growth and their high speed rail transit hookups to other business centers. Fools!

Conservative: not willing to move forward, adverse to change, cautious about innovation

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

So why are you so freaked out about what happens in other states?

LOL You are crazy, I'm not. Unless I'm expected to pay for what happens in other states.

Why are you so freaked out about all that is Wisconsin, specifically why are you so freaked out about WI NOT accepting fed money?

If you ever become the majority we're doomed!