7/16 (CNL): VA Derby (G2), VA Oaks (G3), Kitten's Joy, Tippett, Chenery

philcski · #1 07-14-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think he'd be an also ran against Gio Ponti (at what seems like 85-90% of his old self), Courageous Cat or Get Stormy.

I just think his American is VERY overrated. If he proves me wrong on Saturday, I'll be here to admit it.

Yeah I'd probably take Get Stormy at 8-9F despite the loss last out at MTH, obviously he has the speed advantage, and he's always been a favorite of mine; not sure about CC yet, that field he beat in the Shoe was pretty bad and he got a great trip behind a rank leader setting moderate early fractions. Gio Ponti at 100% would be an easy choice but like you said he's probably 85% now. Watch Banned's last race, even though it's only 4 horses he looked superb doing it.

RolloTomasi · #2 07-14-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

not sure about CC yet, that field he beat in the Shoe was pretty bad

Caracortado and Victor's Cry, while not world-beaters, are pretty steady horses with some quality. They at least stack up to horses like Doubles Partner, Smart Bid, Court Vision, etc.

Not to mention, Courageous Cat himself was a top class 3yo turf horse that got Goldikova's scraps in the 2009 BC Mile.

dino · #3 07-15-2011, 06:24 AM

Banned looks like the best horse but i would never make a big bet on any horse Lezcano is on. Last year at Saratoga he rode like an apprentice at Suffolk Downs.

Gate Dancer · #4 07-15-2011, 07:58 AM

Is HRTV or TVG showing any/all of these races? Couldn't find any indication on their websites.

NTamm1215 · #5 07-15-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

Is HRTV or TVG showing any/all of these races? Couldn't find any indication on their websites.

Colonial is shown on HRTV.

Gate Dancer · #6 07-15-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Colonial is shown on HRTV.

Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

King Glorious · #7 07-16-2011, 01:15 PM

I like King Congie to win here over Crimson China. Looks to be a very competitve race. I will box those two with Street Game in exactas and tris. I think Banned either wins or runs out of the money and I'm banking on the second. I also have a win bet on Thirtyfirststreet and will play Banned over all four in an exacta.

blackthroatedwind · #8 07-15-2011, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dino

Banned looks like the best horse but i would never make a big bet on any horse Lezcano is on. Last year at Saratoga he rode like an apprentice at Suffolk Downs.

That's probably an opinion you would be well served moving away from.

dino · #9 07-15-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's probably an opinion you would be well served moving away from.

Come on Andy. I agree he has improved over the last year but he was have a pretty good year last year too before Saratoga. He made it a habit of saving on the rail only to check in the stretch way too many times.

Good picks yesterday...congrats

Bigsmc · #10 07-15-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dino

Banned looks like the best horse but i would never make a big bet on any horse Lezcano is on. Last year at Saratoga he rode like an apprentice at Suffolk Downs.

Which jockey would you put a big bet on? If they get tossed from your list for one bad meet, your list must be very short.

pweizer · #11 07-15-2011, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Which jockey would you put a big bet on? If they get tossed from your list for one bad meet, your list must be very short.

He was awful at Saratoga last year but that type of performance hasn't been repeated anywhere else. If he is on the best horse, he can certainly win a race.

Paul