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Old 05-25-2011, 06:42 PM
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Voter ID debate could change 2012 landscape
Wisconsin governor to sign photo ID law Wednesday, with bills being debated in Ohio, North Carolina, and other battleground states

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According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 11 states, including Wisconsin, request or require photo ID for voters.



But compared to the 2004 election, voter turnout went way up, not down, in 2008 in both Georgia and Indiana after those states’ voter ID laws took effect.


Supreme Court upholds photo ID law
The idea of requiring voters to show photo identification got its biggest lift when the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana photo ID law in 2008.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:51 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43156562...nge-landscape/

Voter ID debate could change 2012 landscape
Wisconsin governor to sign photo ID law Wednesday, with bills being debated in Ohio, North Carolina, and other battleground states

some excerpts:

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 11 states, including Wisconsin, request or require photo ID for voters.



But compared to the 2004 election, voter turnout went way up, not down, in 2008 in both Georgia and Indiana after those states’ voter ID laws took effect.


Supreme Court upholds photo ID law
The idea of requiring voters to show photo identification got its biggest lift when the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana photo ID law in 2008.
Believe me, I'm sure the next elections in Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio will have huge turnouts

Wisconsin is far more restrictive than Indiana, with additional requirements, date changes, etc., so we'll see regarding the constitutionality. I believe the law guys when many say they doubt it will fly in the current incarnation.
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Old 05-25-2011, 06:56 PM
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see, i don't look at who passed what. i read the item, and decide for myself. now, some people see dem or rep, and decide to find and post anything 'bad' they see from whichever group it is they are against, as evidence of yet another nefarious plot.
as for voter turnout, i put an excerpt about voter turnout actually increased in the two states mentioned. imo, turnout has more to do with the candidates and voter apathy-or even the weather. if you want to vote, an id requirement won't stop you. if you don't vote anyway, you don't care.
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:03 PM
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see, i don't look at who passed what. i read the item, and decide for myself. now, some people see dem or rep, and decide to find and post anything 'bad' they see from whichever group it is they are against, as evidence of yet another nefarious plot.
When the Republican Governors Association meeting had an agenda item that talked about voter demographics of the future (strongly favoring the Democratic party), and the need for Republican governors to get voting laws made more restrictive (with a list of suggestions on how to do that) to make it harder for traditionally democratic voters not to vote with ease, and the Republicans talk about it publicly, it's not exactly a "plot"

It's the same thing as redistricting to get more Congressmen or preserve the political makeup of a gerrymandered district - changing voting requirements and ability to vote with easy has always been a political ploy, and the Republican party has used it for some time.

The "nefarious plot" side:
Deja Vu - new Florida law hinders voting rights of blacks and poor
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/05/d...lacks-poor.php

GOP efforts to change Ohio voting laws serve ideology not people
http://www.cantonrep.com/opinion/let...ogy-not-people

Republicans aiming to take away voting rights in 36 states
http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/05/23/re...-in-36-states/

Republicans writing laws to stop people from voting
http://www.examiner.com/political-sp...le-from-voting
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TOP SECRET It's called the ACORN Offensive
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:59 PM
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TOP SECRET It's called the ACORN Offensive
Sigh ... I admire you for your single-minded dedication to purpose
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When the Republican Governors Association meeting had an agenda item that talked about voter demographics of the future (strongly favoring the Democratic party), and the need for Republican governors to get voting laws made more restrictive (with a list of suggestions on how to do that) to make it harder for traditionally democratic voters not to vote with ease, and the Republicans talk about it publicly, it's not exactly a "plot"

It's the same thing as redistricting to get more Congressmen or preserve the political makeup of a gerrymandered district - changing voting requirements and ability to vote with easy has always been a political ploy, and the Republican party has used it for some time.

The "nefarious plot" side:
Deja Vu - new Florida law hinders voting rights of blacks and poor
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/05/d...lacks-poor.php

GOP efforts to change Ohio voting laws serve ideology not people
http://www.cantonrep.com/opinion/let...ogy-not-people

Republicans aiming to take away voting rights in 36 states
http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/05/23/re...-in-36-states/

Republicans writing laws to stop people from voting
http://www.examiner.com/political-sp...le-from-voting
This is the grand slam of ridiculous links

A letter to the editor? LOL
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:26 PM
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This is the grand slam of ridiculous links

A letter to the editor? LOL
Considering it points out all the pertinent concerns, and is factually correct, yup. Feel free to ignore that one if you wish. You can read one of the other thousand newspaper articles on the web about it.
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Considering it points out all the pertinent concerns, and is factually correct, yup. Feel free to ignore that one if you wish. You can read one of the other thousand newspaper articles on the web about it.
Uh it is a letter to the editor, not an "article". Of course union blogs arent exactly an unbiased source of news either.

Asking people for a photo ID to prove that they are who they say they are is hardly discriminatory regardless of how it is being spun. This is 2011, getting a gov't issued photo ID is hardly difficult or beyond just about anyone's capabilities.
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