cant say i dont agree with most of this

[Honu]

I agree that women should have an implant BUT that men also should have a reversable masectomy done to them as well. Why is it that women are the one's soley in charge of not reproducing when its usually in most welfare circumstances involving women and children its because the sperm inserter bailed.
I do agree that people in public housing should be made to keep their places neat, free of litter and trash.
I do agree that people on public assistance should be able to provide some service to the community.
So should inmates, people in prison should have to work in prison gardens and pick weeds and trash from the side of the road, hell we should have chain gangs again and have the infrastructure of America rebuilt by those that have commited crimes against her citizens.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Honu

I agree that women should have an implant BUT that men also should have a reversable masectomy done to them as well. Why is it that women are the one's soley in charge of not reproducing when its usually in most welfare circumstances involving women and children its because the sperm inserter bailed.
I do agree that people in public housing should be made to keep their places neat, free of litter and trash.
I do agree that people on public assistance should be able to provide some service to the community.
So should inmates, people in prison should have to work in prison gardens and pick weeds and trash from the side of the road, hell we should have chain gangs again and have the infrastructure of America rebuilt by those that have commited crimes against her citizens.

I don't want my boobs to go away!

[Danzig]

i'm pretty sure she was thinking vasectomy, because i don't know what the other would accomplish....



on another note....there are probably some common sense ways to improve welfare, as well as changes to be made. however, as soon as someone posts the initial article, someone else immediately jumps on said post/poster as it being simplistic bs. and there goes that dialogue. in a way, it's akin to israel. disagree with any aspect, and get accused of anti-semitism.
there are things in this country that need discussion, and change. none of that will happen if people can't listen constructively, have discussions, and avoid knee-jerk, overly simplistic responses. mention of barracks as an example brings comparison to ww2 internment camps-when that wasn't what was suggested. the suggestion was that your provided housing be maintained-a sensible request drug testing-that's a civil rights violation? at work the other day, i was randomly drug tested. did i bitch? no. i peed in a cup. it's a requirement of my employment. if i want my check, i am drug free. yet, that can't be part of welfare? instead of viewing that above as an attack, and immediately jumping on the defensive isn't the answer. actually reading, absorbing, responding usefully-that's what we need.

are welfare recipients the bad guy? no. should they have rules and regs? of course.

as for health care,poor people qualify for medicare or medicaid. there's no reason for them to do without. there's housing assistance, medical/dental assistance, rent, job searches, adult education, etc, etc. the list is endless. i don't know how much more can be done that isn't already. and i'm not sure what's wrong in saying that people should be doing community service of some kind in return for benefits.