Conspiracy theorists heads explode - full birth certificate released

[wiphan]

Trump is an idiot. He is not even a good or legit businessman and I do not know how anyone could actually support him as a presidential candidate. I could care less about this birth certificate stuff.

What I do care about is the price of Gas, inflation, jobs, wasted government $, raising the national debt limit, the US credit rating, the devaluation of the dollar, more government invasion into our lifes, taxes, and more. All of which I see the current administration, Geithner, and Bernancke as failures so far.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Trump is an idiot. He is not even a good or legit businessman and I do not know how anyone could actually support him as a presidential candidate. I could care less about this birth certificate stuff.

What I do care about is the price of Gas, inflation, jobs, wasted government $, raising the national debt limit, the US credit rating, the devaluation of the dollar, more government invasion into our lifes, taxes, and more. All of which I see the current administration, Geithner, and Bernancke as failures so far.

You've cut to the chase on where we differ...I think we had to spend our way out of the recession, gas was too cheap and I certainly trust the govt more than I do my next door neighbor, especially if he owns a gun.

Four more years.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

You've cut to the chase on where we differ...I think we had to spend our way out of the recession, gas was too cheap and I certainly trust the govt more than I do my next door neighbor, especially if he owns a gun.

Four more years.

There may have been a need to be an increase in spending to try and help the economy. I just think we spent the wrong way(lots of wasted $) and we will find ourselves with more problems in the next few years once inflation actually comes into the market. You are just starting to see it now. What happens when mortgage rates hit 7-8% do you think the housing market will recover?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I certainly trust the govt more than I do my next door neighbor, especially if he owns a gun.

All I can say is wow! Or maybe I take my good neighbors for granted?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

All I can say is wow! Or maybe I take my good neighbors for granted?

You live in WI Dell. Bob lives in IL. Do I need to say anything more?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You live in WI Dell. Bob lives in IL. Do I need to say anything more?

I'm little and Bob is 10 feet tall. Maybe that's a factor.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Trump is an idiot. He is not even a good or legit businessman and I do not know how anyone could actually support him as a presidential candidate. I could care less about this birth certificate stuff.

What I do care about is the price of Gas, inflation, jobs, wasted government $, raising the national debt limit, the US credit rating, the devaluation of the dollar, more government invasion into our lifes, taxes, and more. All of which I see the current administration, Geithner, and Bernancke as failures so far.

And those are all legit issues...we can debate the direction we should be going, responsibilities for the mess we find ourselves in etc....lively debate on the issues is the essence of democracy, personal attacks are not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What I do care about is the price of Gas, inflation, jobs, wasted government $, raising the national debt limit, the US credit rating, the devaluation of the dollar, more government invasion into our lifes, taxes, and more. All of which I see the current administration, Geithner, and Bernancke as failures so far.

The Obama administration has cut massive $$ amounts of waste from Medicare with the PPACA.

This administration has cut out massive duplication and waste from the federal government.

The massive job loss starting in the years of Bush have been stopped and reversed, although still too stagnant.

Inflation has been actively held in check by actions of the Fed.

This administration has asked for a no-frills debit ceiling raise to protect our credit rating, fighting Congress.

Your income taxes have been lowered twice during this administration and are historically low.

And you see this as "failures so far".

Nothing this administration does would please you - especially doing exactly what you want.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Obama administration has cut massive $$ amounts of waste from Medicare with the PPACA.

This administration has cut out massive duplication and waste from the federal government.


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And still set the record for spending!!!!!!!

And stop with the BS of PPACA saving anything. It will be a Medicare program on steroids with Post Office like results.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And stop with the BS of PPACA saving anything. It will be a Medicare program on steroids with Post Office like results.

The sad thing is that you are repeatedly proud of your deliberate ignorance.

No, Dell, the PPACA is not a "Medicare program on steroids". It is some reforms to the private insurance industry. And it's not any "will be". It is already in effect and is the law. Seeing the law is already in existence, where is the "medicare on steroids"?

Everybody is entitled to their own view and interpretation of political and government policy. But you're no better than Donald Trump with your deliberate ignoring of reality and purposeful choosing of ignorance regarding the issues.

Nothing wrong with not supporting any administration's policies or actions, or being adamantly and actively opposed. But do it based upon the reality and truth of it. This recent national acceptance of literally making outrageously false crap up, and deliberately ignoring truth and reality, is disastrous for this country. When did it become cool to be ignorant and proud of it?**

** Oh, wait - Sarah Palin

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

The sad thing is that you are repeatedly proud of your deliberate ignorance.

No, Dell, the PPACA is not a "Medicare program on steroids". It is some reforms to the private insurance industry. It's already in effect and is the law. Where is the "medicare on steroids"?

Take out ALL subsidies and requirement to purchase insurance and go from there. Get the 'opt out' in writing if needed.

And only a small part of it is in effect and law.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Take out ALL subsidies and requirement to purchase insurance and go from there. Get the 'opt out' in writing if needed.

And only a small part of it is in effect and law.

Where is the "Medicare on steroids" part? How are the savings in the program that fund it false? C'mon - you continually make ridiculous and exaggerated accusations here and expect to be taken seriously with your political discourse. Support them.`

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Where is the "Medicare on steroids" part? C'mon - you continually make ridiculous accusations. Support them.

When every high-risk/pre-condition policy holder is provided affordable rates low risk patients will be forced to pay for that affordability in the form of higher premiums. When every Tom, Dick and Harry whether because of their own fault or not are offered subsidies to pay for policies those w/o subsidies will be forced to pay that bill. That's the cost part.

The steroid part is the fraud that is inevitable and estimated at 10% in the Medicare world. Times that by 40,000,000 new patients under Obamacare and it's anabolic!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Obama administration has cut massive $$ amounts of waste from Medicare with the PPACA.

This administration has cut out massive duplication and waste from the federal government.

The massive job loss starting in the years of Bush have been stopped and reversed, although still too stagnant.

Inflation has been actively held in check by actions of the Fed.

This administration has asked for a no-frills debit ceiling raise to protect our credit rating, fighting Congress.

Your income taxes have been lowered twice during this administration and are historically low.

And you see this as "failures so far".

Nothing this administration does would please you - especially doing exactly what you want.

Raising the debt ceiling actually will hurt the credit rating. Inflation will come, you are just starting to see it now.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Raising the debt ceiling actually will hurt the credit rating. Inflation will come, you are just starting to see it now.

Yes, I am aware of those concerns. You, too, ignore the reality of what this administration has done.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I am aware of those concerns. You, too, ignore the reality of what this administration has done.

Could you explain for anyone who might have missed it, what exactly have they done?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Could you explain for anyone who might have missed it, what exactly have they done?

If people have chosen not to pay attention to what's been happening in this country, doubtful they will pull their heads from their asses at this point.

If they choose to do so, however (which they could read:

www.whatthe f u c k hasobamadonesofar.com (push it all together for the web link)

Or:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ises/obameter/

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Riot

If people have chosen not to pay attention to what's been happening in this country, doubtful they will pull their heads from their asses at this point.

Nice deflection.