Ramon Suspended

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

give me a break, gio ponte and fly down had no shot against those horses...dominguez was loyal to even bother showing up.

Loyal? it must be tough to drop out on some 25k claimers in NYRA to run in a 10million dollar race. His 5th place finish pay out is equal to winning a 500k race or in Ramon's case winning 15 claiming races.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Loyal? it must be tough to drop out on some 25k claimers in NYRA to run in a 10million dollar race. His 5th place finish pay out is equal to winning a 500k race or in Ramon's case winning 15 claiming races.

Ramon must be riding in a ton of claiming races to be the second leading money earning jockey thus far this year. It must be some trick to do that with all those claimers and not even be in the top five in number of starts. You do realize that Dominguez could ride at Gulfstream Park (or even your beloved California tracks) and get plenty of mounts if he wanted to but stays in NY to be with his family?

Do you even think before you type? Oh, I know, it is an east coast/west coast thing. Everything you put on this board is pure comedy, please keep us entertained.

Yeah but it's not like we're talking about Angel Cordero Jr.

He's basically a giant grizzly bear hibernating in a smelly cave. It's tough to defend that.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by pointman

Ramon must be riding in a ton of claiming races to be the second leading money earning jockey thus far this year. It must be some trick to do that with all those claimers and not even be in the top five in number of starts. You do realize that Dominguez could ride at Gulfstream Park (or even your beloved California tracks) and get plenty of mounts if he wanted to but stays in NY to be with his family?

Do you even think before you type? Oh, I know, it is an east coast/west coast thing. Everything you put on this board is pure comedy, please keep us entertained.

What significant race has he won this year? Just look at AQU standings and note the competition he is pounding. I really wish he would come to So Cal and go head to head with Rosario, Gomez, Bejarano, PVal, Gulfstream with Johnny V and Castellano, Leparoux, and Keeneland with the same and take his talents on the road but he is in a comfort zone and enjoys the money he is earning on claiming races. When I think of great jockeys , I think of Chris McCarron, Jerry Bailey, Pat Day, Laffit Pincay and Ramon does not come near that level of greatness. Please continue to exagerate...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

What significant race has he won this year? Just look at AQU standings and note the competition he is pounding. I really wish he would come to So Cal and go head to head with Rosario, Gomez, Bejarano, PVal, Gulfstream with Johnny V and Castellano, Leparoux, and Keeneland with the same and take his talents on the road but he is in a comfort zone and enjoys the money he is earning on claiming races. When I think of great jockeys , I think of Chris McCarron, Jerry Bailey, Pat Day, Laffit Pincay and Ramon does not come near that level of greatness. Please continue to exagerate...

He has won all but one of the NY riding titles over the last couple of years over most of the riders you named.

But don't let that interupt your non-stop stupidity.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

What significant race has he won this year? Just look at AQU standings and note the competition he is pounding. I really wish he would come to So Cal and go head to head with Rosario, Gomez, Bejarano, PVal, Gulfstream with Johnny V and Castellano, Leparoux, and Keeneland with the same and take his talents on the road but he is in a comfort zone and enjoys the money he is earning on claiming races. When I think of great jockeys , I think of Chris McCarron, Jerry Bailey, Pat Day, Laffit Pincay and Ramon does not come near that level of greatness. Please continue to exagerate...

Once again you manage to top yourself. I suppose he hasn't gone head to head with the toughest colonies in the U.S. when he rides at Belmont and Saratoga. I suppose that his 3rd in the Saratoga standings against the toughest riding colony in the country last year and winning the Saratoga title in 2009 doesn't demonstrate that he can handle himself in any riding colony. I assure you he doesn't get the mounts to place that way in Saratoga because he is a bad rider.

I don't have the time right now to look up what signifacant races he has won this year, but I assure you he will win plenty of Grade I's before the year is out. If you were paying any attention he has run in plenty of big stakes and held his own at Gulfstream this winter. He should be commended for not uprooting his family and riding through the sh.tty winter we have had here in New York so he can be with his family.

You really need to get over your California is the best racing in the country B.S. There is great racing all over the country, I enjoy racing in New York, California, Kentucy, Florida, Arkansas, Louisiana and plenty of other places throughout the year. You may want to watch Dominguez ride a little bit, you just might see that he is a terrific rider. Oh, and Aqueduct is not only a great track IMO to take in some racing, the betting over the winter is terrific, it has its chalky days as any track does, but you can profit damn well as many live longshots can be had.

He should be commended for not wearing the pants of the family? Ok.

The majority of derby contenders with northeast connections have traditionally been located in south Florida during the winter. His selfish wife needs to realize the odds of any of their kids making the kind of scratch and having the success of their father are extremely minimal and moving the kids south during the winter could actually be beneficial instead of detrimental.


He is going to always have the "what if" label because he refused to compete at the top level year round. Sorry if I'm not impressed that he beats punk a.ss Jose Valdivia Jr. in a 4 horse race. Boy that was an impressive win today.

[pointman]

I disagree Coach. I am admittedly not the best historian, but I believe that Cordero did it a number of winters and some other big jocks as well. He has earned more in purses at Aqueduct than the leading rider at Gulfstream this winter. Sure, the colony is tougher in Florida, but there is something to be said for a family guy that is focused on the game. Just think of what PVal could have been.

Originally Posted by Cardus

Don't worry, neither is Coach.

Instead of the tired smart-as.sed one liners refute it. I won't to see how old you are. Let's compare it to the 60's or 70's so the people on here wearing depends can feel right over my slight misuse of the word "traditionally"

Hoss...

He's a great rider. It's just frustrating as a gambler and fan of the sport to see elite riders take the easy way out. Aqueduct inner should be for guys like Valdivia Jr. who has proven to be mediocre for all of his career.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He should be commended for not wearing the pants of the family? Ok.

The majority of derby contenders with northeast connections have traditionally been located in south Florida during the winter. His selfish wife needs to realize the odds of any of their kids making the kind of scratch and having the success of their father are extremely minimal and moving the kids south during the winter could actually be beneficial instead of detrimental.


He is going to always have the "what if" label because he refused to compete at the top level year round. Sorry if I'm not impressed that he beats punk a.ss Jose Valdivia Jr. in a 4 horse race. Boy that was an impressive win today.

You'll get no arguement from me that he's beating a very weak colony in NY all winter. This year might have been the worst I have seen in a long time.

That said, Dominguez has traveled a majority of the weekends riding Derby contenders and other stakes horses. Plus, he still dominates when everyone comes back to NY. I think eventually you'll see him go down to Florida for the winter. But it doesn't change what he does the other 8 months of the year against the best colony around.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by pointman

Once again you manage to top yourself. I suppose he hasn't gone head to head with the toughest colonies in the U.S. when he rides at Belmont and Saratoga. I suppose that his 3rd in the Saratoga standings against the toughest riding colony in the country last year and winning the Saratoga title in 2009 doesn't demonstrate that he can handle himself in any riding colony. I assure you he doesn't get the mounts to place that way in Saratoga because he is a bad rider.

I don't have the time right now to look up what signifacant races he has won this year, but I assure you he will win plenty of Grade I's before the year is out. If you were paying any attention he has run in plenty of big stakes and held his own at Gulfstream this winter. He should be commended for not uprooting his family and riding through the sh.tty winter we have had here in New York so he can be with his family.

You really need to get over your California is the best racing in the country B.S. There is great racing all over the country, I enjoy racing in New York, California, Kentucy, Florida, Arkansas, Louisiana and plenty of other places throughout the year. You may want to watch Dominguez ride a little bit, you just might see that he is a terrific rider. Oh, and Aqueduct is not only a great track IMO to take in some racing, the betting over the winter is terrific, it has its chalky days as any track does, but you can profit damn well as many live longshots can be had.

There is no doubt that he is talented but I like to see him step up in competition. Yes, he did win 3 stakes at tampa bay this year on tampa bay derby preview day but he was 0 for 6 as odds on favorites on each race ON tampa bay derby day. He has had the "worst luck" when the money is on the line but when it comes to winning 5 claimers at AQU a day, he goes to being the best jock in the country...how? I never said california is the best racing but it sure beats the racing colony at AQU right now HANDS DOWN! The jockey title he won at saratoga in 2009 was not by accumulating stakes wins...5 jockeys raked up more stakes wins than he did that meet. I am still not convinced of his greatness.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

There is no doubt that he is talented but I like to see him step up in competition. Yes, he did win 3 stakes at tampa bay this year on tampa bay derby preview day but he was 0 for 6 as odds on favorites on each race ON tampa bay derby day. He has had the "worst luck" when the money is on the line but when it comes to winning 5 claimers at AQU a day, he goes to being the best jock in the country...how? I never said california is the best racing but it sure beats the racing colony at AQU right now HANDS DOWN! The jockey title he won at saratoga in 2009 was not by accumulating stakes wins...5 jockeys raked up more stakes wins than he did that meet. I am still not convinced of his greatness.

You can't let your stupidity rest, you insist on burying it.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by pointman

You can't let your stupidity rest, you insist on burying it.

Ah yes. the "I cant come up with a rebuttal to your argument so I call you stupid" response. Lets just end this flame war. agreed?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

There is no doubt that he is talented but I like to see him step up in competition. Yes, he did win 3 stakes at tampa bay this year on tampa bay derby preview day but he was 0 for 6 as odds on favorites on each race ON tampa bay derby day. He has had the "worst luck" when the money is on the line but when it comes to winning 5 claimers at AQU a day, he goes to being the best jock in the country...how? I never said california is the best racing but it sure beats the racing colony at AQU right now HANDS DOWN! The jockey title he won at saratoga in 2009 was not by accumulating stakes wins...5 jockeys raked up more stakes wins than he did that meet. I am still not convinced of his greatness.

Just for arguements sake, which favorite that he rode on Tampa Derby Day lost as a result of his ride? I'm also interested in a list of 5 jocks who you feel ride better than Dominguez does on a daily basis.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Just for arguements sake, which favorite that he rode on Tampa Derby Day lost as a result of his ride? I'm also interested in a list of 5 jocks who you feel ride better than Dominguez does on a daily basis.

I am not talking about on a daily basis. I am talking about he showing up on days when the money is on the line and in those races he is competing against Gomez, Velasquez, Leparoux, Bejarano, Rosario, Castellano, Allan Garcia, P Val, Mike Smith, Desourmaux, Prado, Espinoza, Albarado etc . Each of those riders, have a resume much better than Ramon and most have achieved greater success than him in thier career, agreed?. If you want to compare him to other good jocks who win multiple times on claimers on a daily basis, please add russell baze and clinton potts to the conversation, the only difference is Ramon has more oppurtunities to race in big events.

In regards to his Tampa Bay derby flop of 0 for 6 as odds on favorites, they were all bad horses, on thier bad days. Thats the explanation you were looking for right?