Jerry Brown on Maclean's Music

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

These "decisions" and differences often clear up in hindsight. That's why Formulator is so great - and why all commerical figure makers don't hammer out the same thing together just days after a race.

I guess you could always take the Bruno DeTardio stance ... and spout off with stuff like 'speed figures are for morons. Anyone who can't see that Brethren is a great 3-year-old is just another Beyer couch jockey' just two weeks before he gets embarassed with no real legit excuse in the Tampa Derby.

On Brown, and I like Jerry, his ground is immediately shaky with the 4th finisher, the first to hit the wire with a prior start, pretty much duplicating his debut figure. But, he's a smart guy, so we can't just dismiss him out of hand.

On the person you mentioned in this post.....has he admitted his foolishness or squirmed away like so many that say such idiocy?

What's funny is that Mig and I had that disagreement on the air after the Sam Davis, though without him being idioctically dismissive of figs, but after the Tampa Bay Derby he said on air that he was wrong. We're all wrong a lot of the time....I just wish more people were able to admit it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

On Brown, and I like Jerry, his ground is immediately shaky with the 4th finisher, the first to hit the wire with a prior start, pretty much duplicating his debut figure. But, he's a smart guy, so we can't just dismiss him out of hand.

Yeah - he certainly knows a ton. I just think he can be pretty excessive and over-do it a little too much with his constant variant splits and cutting races loose.

For instance - he had Uncle Mo's BC Juvenile no faster than his Champagne win - both got the same number because he believed the Juvenile came back to fast to believe. That basically means Mountain Town (beaten 4.75 lengths by Uncle Mo in the Champagne - but racing 2 or 3 paths wider - both carrying 122lbs) would have utterly drowned a lot of ok horses in the Juvenile with a repeat.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

On the person you mentioned in this post.....has he admitted his foolishness or squirmed away like so many that say such idiocy?

What's funny is that Mig and I had that disagreement on the air after the Sam Davis, though without him being idioctically dismissive of figs, but after the Tampa Bay Derby he said on air that he was wrong. We're all wrong a lot of the time....I just wish more people were able to admit it.

To the best of my knowledge - no. And I kind of doubt he ever would.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

To the best of my knowledge - no. And I kind of doubt he ever would.

As somebody who likes to tell everybody how smart he is ( I guess this goes for both of us ) I think it's fair to say it helps one's credibility to occaisionally point out when we're wrong.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As somebody who likes to tell everybody how smart he is ( I guess this goes for both of us ) I think it's fair to say it helps one's credibility to occaisionally point out when we're wrong.

This post feels like a Trip or a Trap.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As somebody who likes to tell everybody how smart he is ( I guess this goes for both of us ) I think it's fair to say it helps one's credibility to occaisionally point out when we're wrong.

Andy,

The Dead played at the Uptown Theater in Chicago on back-to-back-to-back nights in January/February of 1978. For $10,000, name all three closing songs, in order.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I think it was a really fast time by an obviously talented colt.

I also happen think it is crazy for Brown to try to make/defend/discredit a figure by comparing MM to Ghostzapper.

Ghostzapper did what he did in his career against accomplished horses and was a great, but brittle racehorse. However, comparing the two because you don't agree with a figure is lunacy. MM may not end up the reacehorse Ghostzapper was, but it doesn't mean he didn't run as high a figure in his debut.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

I think it was a really fast time by an obviously talented colt.

I also happen think it is crazy for Brown to try to make/defend/discredit a figure by comparing MM to Ghostzapper.

Ghostzapper did what he did in his career against accomplished horses and was a great, but brittle racehorse. However, comparing the two because you don't agree with a figure is lunacy. MM may not end up the reacehorse Ghostzapper was, but it doesn't mean he didn't run as high a figure in his debut.

I have no problem at all with what he said regarding Ghostzapper.

His whole take involving Ghostzapper was bascially 'Ragozin has sprint races at SA two points faster than me - and if he stays true to his habits - this horse will get a number as fast as Ghostzapper"

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by justindew

Andy,

The Dead played at the Uptown Theater in Chicago on back-to-back-to-back nights in January/February of 1978. For $10,000, name all three closing songs, in order.

Johnny B Goode, Good Lovin, Around and Around

[justindew]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Johnny B Goode, Good Lovin, Around and Around

Is your name Andy, a-hole?

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by justindew

Is your name Andy, a-hole?

For 10 grand you can call me whatever you want douche bag.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Johnny B Goode, Good Lovin, Around and Around

That would be correct.

Interestingly, no encore the second night, and Around and Around closed the second set the first night.

The shows from the Uptown in 1980 are killer.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That would be correct.

Interestingly, no encore the second night, and Around and Around closed the second set the first night.

The shows from the Uptown in 1980 are killer.

I can't give you credit for that, but I have no doubt you would have known it on your own.

Try this (ANDY ONLY)..

On the day this horse won the Kentucky Derby, the Dead closed with Black Muddy River in Stanford, CA.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As somebody who likes to tell everybody how smart he is ( I guess this goes for both of us ) I think it's fair to say it helps one's credibility to occaisionally point out when we're wrong.

I could be wrong, but since I'm never wrong on the Internet, I must be right.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I could be wrong, but since I'm never wrong on the Internet, I must be right.

I don't remember, did Giacamo win the BCC?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I don't remember, did Giacamo win the BCC?

Did he win the Derby?

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

On Brown, and I like Jerry, his ground is immediately shaky with the 4th finisher, the first to hit the wire with a prior start, pretty much duplicating his debut figure. But, he's a smart guy, so we can't just dismiss him out of hand.

On the person you mentioned in this post.....has he admitted his foolishness or squirmed away like so many that say such idiocy?

What's funny is that Mig and I had that disagreement on the air after the Sam Davis, though without him being idioctically dismissive of figs, but after the Tampa Bay Derby he said on air that he was wrong. We're all wrong a lot of the time....I just wish more people were able to admit it.

sometimes its not "idiotically dismissive of figs"...its just i know who is going to be 6-5...more times then not its the chalk if the numbers look the highest. when the highest number gives me horses over 5-2....i'll love figs.......it works sometimes but c'mon. the faves still lose 2 out of 3 at most places.....with all the talk, you know this horse is going to be some ridiculously, stupid price next out...unless they really move him up...and even then it will probably be over bet. i'm just thinking anyone these days can do/get the number..trying to read the form is an art....you know that...but some of these others....i don't know about. i'm sure they are making bundles betting the "highest" number.....theres tons out there to be made on this horse.....lol

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

sometimes its not "idiotically dismissive of figs"...its just i know who is going to be 6-5...more times then not its the chalk if the numbers look the highest. when the highest number gives me horses over 5-2....i'll love figs.......it works sometimes but c'mon. the faves still lose 2 out of 3 at most places.....with all the talk, you know this horse is going to be some ridiculously, stupid price next out...unless they really move him up...and even then it will probably be over bet. i'm just thinking anyone these days can do/get the number..trying to read the form is an art....you know that...but some of these others....i don't know about. i'm sure they are making bundles betting the "highest" number.....theres tons out there to be made on this horse.....lol

Worst Unrelated Response Post Evah.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Worst Unrelated Response Post Evah.

Wait until tomorrow morning when he tells everyone about how every horse that won he liked and every beaten favorite he knew wasn't going to win. Oh and......lol