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Old 03-19-2011, 02:20 PM
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just out of curiosity do you support Gay Marriage?
I know your question wasn't to me but I'll respond...Absolutely!!
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:34 PM
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I know your question wasn't to me but I'll respond...Absolutely!!
Maybe your views align closer to the evil Koch brothers than to president Obama then.
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:36 PM
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Maybe your views align closer to the evil Koch brothers than to president Obama then.
I share quite a few political views with the Koch brothers.

Except for their desire to literally purchase as much of our government as they can, purchase control towards their own self-reward and self-interest.
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:43 PM
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I share quite a few political views with the Koch brothers.

Except for their desire to literally purchase as much of our government as they can, purchase control towards their own self-reward and self-interest.
I don't get it. You don't like a private person contributing their own $ towards a politician or a particular political party to help their interests, but you have no issue with public mandates (ie. required union dues) where a large sum of the money goes towards a particular political party to help them.
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:51 PM
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I don't get it. You don't like a private person contributing their own $ towards a politician or a particular political party to help their interests,
No. That's a completely false statement.

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but you have no issue with public mandates (ie. required union dues) where a large sum of the money goes towards a particular political party to help them.
Sorry - that argument is null, completely a false equivalency.

Unions dues are not "public mandates". Is that like "thug" no longer means violent when you use it?

Unions have contributed to both public political parties. They contribute to those that defend their interests. As the Koch Brothers do.
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No. That's a completely false statement.



Sorry - that argument is null, completely a false equivalency.

Unions dues are not "public mandates". Is that like "thug" no longer means violent when you use it?

Unions have contributed to both public political parties. They contribute to those that defend their interests. As the Koch Brothers do.
Try explaining that to the republican teacher that doesn't want to be part of or pay union dues. Does he/she have a choice to belong or not belong to the union? Do they have a choice to where the union donates their money to? Also, the teachers union in WI does not contribute to both parties. Check the facts please
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Old 03-22-2011, 01:57 PM
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Try explaining that to the republican teacher that doesn't want to be part of or pay union dues. Does he/she have a choice to belong or not belong to the union? Do they have a choice to where the union donates their money to? Also, the teachers union in WI does not contribute to both parties. Check the facts please
Well they can move to another state. It's a "free" country, unless you're in Wisconsin.
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Old 03-22-2011, 02:04 PM
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Try explaining that to the republican teacher that doesn't want to be part of or pay union dues. Does he/she have a choice to belong or not belong to the union?
Absolutely. They most certainly do.

When that teacher talks to an employer about a job offer, the employer tells you what the contract entails. You read your contract before you sign it. Every teacher has every right to take a job in the private sector, or a government job where joining the union is optional, if they do not want to pay union dues and be part of a union.

That is what capitalism and free-market principles are all about.

You want to attract the best teachers, you offer what those best teachers want. Or they go elsewhere.

Walker is actively trying to take those collective bargaining rights away.

Your teachers are going to go elsewhere. That's part of the plan, however, as the next goal is to bemoan the sorry state of the education system, and then privatize it, or begin using "education vouchers" (essentially a good way for the rich to have the general public pay for their kids private schools)

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Also, the teachers union in WI does not contribute to both parties. Check the facts please
I meant unions in general, not specifically the teachers union in Wisconsin. My exact quote was, "Unions have contributed to both public parties".

But are you going to take the stand that the Wisconsin NEA branch of the American Federation of Teachers has never donated to a Republican candidate?

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I share quite a few political views with the Koch brothers.

Except for their desire to literally purchase as much of our government as they can, purchase control towards their own self-reward and self-interest.
Kinda like George Soros?
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Kinda like George Soros?
Do you think the Koch Brothers and George Soros do the same things politically?
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Do you think the Koch Brothers and George Soros do the same things politically?

if 1 equals 1000. Money wise........
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:16 PM
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And now, Wisconsin Republicans chose to simply IGNORE the court stay on publication of the law.

Un - effing - believable. This is still America, right? We don't allow dictators?

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Fitzgerald, Barca disagree on whether law goes into effect Saturday

By Patrick Marley and Jason Stein of the Journal Sentinel
Updated: March 25, 2011 10:46 p.m.

Madison — In a stunning twist, Gov. Scott Walker's legislation limiting collective bargaining for public workers was published Friday despite a judge's hold on the measure, prompting a dispute over whether it takes effect Saturday.

New suit filed

Also Friday, another suit was filed over the law, bringing to three the total number of cases now pending.

Madison firefighters and public works employees filed suit in Dane County Circuit Court against Walker and the state seeking to block the law from taking effect, saying it had been passed in violation of the state constitution.

More at http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...118677754.html
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