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Budgetary power is NOT a power the President, or the Governor, can simply grab because they want it. The power plants, whether they need to be sold or not, has nothing to do with a Governor attempting an illegal power grab. The issue isn't "should the power plants be sold or not". The issue is, "To whom does the Wisconsin constitution give power to buy/sell state property?" The answer is NOT "the governor". BTW: Newly-elected Governor Rick "My company stole billions from Medicare" Scott in Florida apparently sold two state-owned jets. Unfortunately, he didn't have the legal authority to do so. All hell is about to break loose over that down there. In between Legislators from both parties suing him for refusing the federal high-speed rail project the Legislature already approved. The Legislature maintains he didn't have the authority to capricously line-item veto a budget item already previously approved legally by the legislature and the previous governor. Governors cannot be dictators - no matter how much they want to be.
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![]() http://forums.abcnews.go.com/n/pfx/f...ics&tid=383140
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My point was valid - sell the power plants at all costs no matter who is in power. It is a good business decision and a waste of tax payer dollars not to. I guess if the people elect their representatives and the representatives vote to change the previous laws - then that's how a democracy works. If during the next election cycle if people don't like it - they can vote them out. btw can you site any instances where the President of the US has over stepped his power over other branches of government? I think we all know Obama wouldn't do that - but I am sure Bush did ![]()
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That power currently, legally, is the legislature. As all budget items are. Walker's bill tries to make it his own power, with no supervision. That's a really, really big deal, regarding the state Constitution and state law. It's not something that can be changed on the whim of one governor trying to acquire power. Nor should it be - you can't have a governor who just decides to sell of state assets such as land, buildings, etc at his pleasure. Those constitutional items controlling Wisconsin's government exist to protect the state. To prevent the changing of laws on a whim as you talk about. For example, today Walker said he wanted the Democratic senators arrested on contempt charges. Thank goodness the Dems are legally protected from the whim of a Governor trying to use the police for his political advantage. Some laws can indeed be changed on a whim, as the political parties change, but other basic freedoms and laws to protect everyone in the state equally cannot. Thankfully!
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![]() I don't know what "We" were talking about but "I" was talking about if the Power Plants should be sold or not.....
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This is straight from the bill: Currently, this state owns and operates numerous heating, cooling, and power plants that were constructed by the state to provide heating, cooling, and power to state facilities. The Department of Administration (DOA) determines the method of operation of these plants and may delegate this authority to any other state agency that has managing authority for a plant. This bill permits DOA to sell or contract for the operation of any such plant. The bill exempts such sales and contracts from the requirement for approval of the Public Service Commission (PSC) that may otherwise apply under current law. The bill provides that the net proceeds of any sale, after retirement of any outstanding state debt and any necessary repayment of federal financial assistance, is deposited in the budget stabilization fund. The bill also allows DOA, at any time, to petition the PSC to regulate as a public utility any person who purchases or contracts for the operation of any plant under the bill. Under current law, the PSC has regulatory authority over public utilities, including the authority to set rates for utility service. Let's be real does Walker really have the power to do anything he wants with the power plants? or are there other departments etc that are involved. Please read the bill |
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![]() [quote]That is not bill (legal) language. Can you give the reference where you copied it from? I doubt that is indeed "straight from the bill". It sounds like an explaination, and could be explaination within the bill. It also sounds like a direct copy of what was proposed and not approved in 2007.
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For example, the federal government. The Republican budget proposal, which does exactly that, if enacted, has been calculated to loose 700,000 jobs and decrease our gross domestic product by 2%, threatening the return of the recession. Quote:
The Koch Brothers are billionaire businessmen who fund the Republican Governors Association (RGA), Americans for Prosperity, and one of the Tea Party organizations (they paid to bus counterprotesters to Wisconsin that second weekend) It came out of this years RGA that a goal was to union bust. Why do you think all these Republican governors are doing it at the same time? The people that pay for their elections have told them to. Quote:
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![]() Here's the transcript of Governor Walker talking to the prank caller, who Walker believes is his main campaign contributor ($43,000, the max possible legally) billionaire businessman David Koch.
I've highlighted where Walker says he'll lie to the Democrats, saying he'll tell them come back and he'll negotiate with them, but then he won't really, and they'll hold the vote. In fact, the day this transcript/call came out, is the day the Democratic Senators publicly said they now would not return - they had been talking to Walker, and this call showed them Walker was lying to them. You can read at the bottom where Walker talks casually about doing things that will be ethics violations if done: saying he'll accept a trip and being treated well (illegal to accept from a campaign contributor ) and talking about "getting the message out" (illegal to accept ads, etc. from a campaign contributor). You can also read where he is threatening layoffs of state employees just to scare the Democratic Senators to come home. How he's stopped their automatic deposits of their paychecks. (Walker has done additional stuff to the Dems since then, cutting off their staff from copy machines and normal payroll procedures, fining the Dem Senators $100 a day, etc) And Walker also admits it's not about the budget, it's about union-busting, trying to break up the opposing political party financial donators. Then, there's the part where Walker considered starting violence in the crowd (sending in agent provocateurs) and decided not to do it, not because he would endanger or hurt his citizens (women and children were at the protests) but because it might be bad politically for him. (this part infuriated the police chief, who is charged with public safety) Quote:
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts Last edited by Riot : 03-03-2011 at 10:46 PM. |
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![]() [quote=Riot;757808]. [b]But your Governor absolutely refuses to raise revenue = raise taxes. In fact, he just lowered your revenue by giving unfunded tax cuts. What in hell is he thinking!?
QUOTE] you finally got to your point. You think raising taxes is the solution. The people of WI and the majority of US citizens are tired of this as a solution and would rather cut expenses than continue to suck money out of the people thru tax increases. Just a fundamental difference of opinion. WI residents have seen tax increase after tax increase (property, sales tax, state income tax, cell phone tax, gas tax, cable tax, etc.) Enough is enough we as citizens of WI are done with increases |