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[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Honu

Tell me where to find one. Somewhere down the line they ALL say something about religion and sex.

When has Obama ever made those kind of statements?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When has Obama ever made those kind of statements?

Obama has said he personally does not support gay marriage. To him, marriage is man-woman. Yet Obama supports the freedom of others to do what they wish And in fact, he is fighting for that very right for others.

That's the difference between Democrats, who honor and respect the freedom of others to do differently than themselves; and Republicans, who do not.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has said he personally does not support gay marriage. To him, marriage is man-woman. Yet Obama supports the freedom of others to do what they wish And in fact, he is fighting for that very right for others.

That's the difference between Democrats, who honor and respect the freedom of others to do differently than themselves; and Republicans, who do not.

the defense of marriage act was voted on with both dems and reps supporting the bill, and bill clinton(d) signing it into law-remember? i doubt it's all as cut and dried as you think-and pols will vote according to what they think will get them re-elected, not by what's on their conscience.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the defense of marriage act was voted on with both dems and reps supporting the bill, and bill clinton(d) signing it into law-remember? i doubt it's all as cut and dried as you think-and pols will vote according to what they think will get them re-elected, not by what's on their conscience.

I'm talking about Obama's past and current stated views on gay marriage, not about who supported or didn't support DOMA.

Obama's personal views differ from what he has supported as best for the country. He gets kudos for that from me. As opposed to the politicians that try and legislate the rights of others away, because others might choose to live privately in a way (abortion, gay unions or marriage, etc) the politician doesn't personally approve of.

hiimgod said: so stop voting for politicians that make a point of their religion and what happens in other people's bedrooms.

honu said: tell me where to find one.

Our President is one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about Obama's past and current stated views on gay marriage, not about who supported or didn't support DOMA.

Obama's personal views differ from what he has supported as best for the country. He gets kudos for that from me. As opposed to the politicians that try and legislate the rights of others away, because others might choose to live privately in a way (abortion, gay unions or marriage, etc) the politician doesn't personally approve of.

hiimgod said: so stop voting for politicians that make a point of their religion and what happens in other people's bedrooms.

honu said: tell me where to find one.

Our President is one.

my post was in response to your statement that dems are all in favor, and reps are all not, regarding gay marriage, etc etc. i'm not sure why you're responding about just obama. i applaud him for taking a stance that won't win him popularity with some, although i did think his original take on it all was weak. my point was that your blanket assertion regarding each party is false. there are members of each party who don't follow their party's line. thankfully.

[Riot]

my post was in response to your statement that dems are all in favor, and reps are all not, regarding gay marriage, etc etc.

Ah. ?? Didn't say that. Didn't mean that. I was talking about general party platform characteristics of the parties:

"That's the difference between Democrats, who honor and respect the freedom of others to do differently than themselves; and Republicans, who do not."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah. ?? Didn't say that. Didn't mean that. I was talking about general party platform characteristics of the parties:

"That's the difference between Democrats, who honor and respect the freedom of others to do differently than themselves; and Republicans, who do not."

well, that wasn't what you wrote, nowhere in the above do you say that specifically, so i'm sorry that i missed thinking that...at any rate, then how do you explain the dems support of doma to begin with?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

my post was in response to your statement that dems are all in favor, and reps are all not, regarding gay marriage, etc etc. i'm not sure why you're responding about just obama. ... my point was that your blanket assertion regarding each party is false. there are members of each party who don't follow their party's line. thankfully.

Zig: I never said any of that. What statement are you talking about? The only thing I've said is this:

Obama has said he personally does not support gay marriage. To him, marriage is man-woman. Yet Obama supports the freedom of others to do what they wish And in fact, he is fighting for that very right for others.

That's the difference between Democrats, who honor and respect the freedom of others to do differently than themselves; and Republicans, who do not.

I don't think all Dems are in favor of gay marriage, and all GOP are not. That's crazy. And I never said such a thing

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Zig: I never said any of that. What statement are you talking about? The only thing I've said is this:



I don't think all Dems are in favor of gay marriage, and all GOP are not. That's crazy. And I never said such a thing

"That's the difference between Democrats, who honor and respect the freedom of others to do differently than themselves; and Republicans, who do not."


i inferred it from this, since this thread has been mostly about the that very subject. i guess you didn't mean it to be that far-reaching, so thanks for clarifying that.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has said he personally does not support gay marriage. To him, marriage is man-woman. Yet Obama supports the freedom of others to do what they wish And in fact, he is fighting for that very right for others..

Obama said he was Christian and regularly attended a church with a racist pastor before arriving in DC (when Rezko owned the property next door and Michelle was making 200K from a hospital though not even close to a Dr or dietician).

Not wanting to 'cause disruption' he avoided finding a church for himself and family and like a good Christian father is teaching his children 'disruption' before they cover the 10 commandments etc etc.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Obama said he was Christian and regularly attended a church with a racist pastor before arriving in DC (when Rezko owned the property next door and Michelle was making 200K from a hospital though not even close to a Dr or dietician).

Not wanting to 'cause disruption' he avoided finding a church for himself and family and like a good Christian father is teaching his children 'disruption' before they cover the 10 commandments etc etc.

and you know what he's teaching his children how? i don't see that his religion is any of your business, or anyone else's.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and you know what he's teaching his children how.

In the same way RIOT knows what's going on in Madison.

Besides Obama considers himself equal to God I'm sure.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In the same way RIOT knows what's going on in Madison..

That's a silly thing to say. It's very easy to know exactly what is going on in Madison, and in depth: read the Wisconsin newspaper pages, read the news webpages with live video, live Twitter feeds, live updates, etc.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's a silly thing to say. It's very easy to know exactly what is going on in Madison, and in depth: read the Wisconsin newspaper pages, read the news webpages with live video, live Twitter feeds, live updates, etc.

The same way I know what's going on in the mid-east then!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In the same way RIOT knows what's going on in Madison.

Besides Obama considers himself equal to God I'm sure.

well, i know obama exists...but, based on your first sentence, i take it to mean you don't know!!

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/id/2286200/pagenum/all/#p2

Indefensible
Why the Obama administration changed its mind about the Defense of Marriage Act.
By Dahlia Lithwick
Posted Wednesday, Feb. 23, 2011, at 6:50 PM ET

The real surprise on Wednesday wasn't that the Obama administration decided it could no longer legally defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which mandates that the federal government not recognize same-sex marriages and stipulates that states need not recognize same-sex marriages from other states. It's that it took so long to get here. Recall that presidential candidate Barack Obama pledged to repeal the law, which he had called "abhorrent," in 2007. What needed to be bridged over the past two years was the distance between the president's personal views and his duty to defend a congressional statute.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Obama said he was Christian and regularly attended a church with a racist pastor before arriving in DC (when Rezko owned the property next door and Michelle was making 200K from a hospital though not even close to a Dr or dietician).

Not wanting to 'cause disruption' he avoided finding a church for himself and family and like a good Christian father is teaching his children 'disruption' before they cover the 10 commandments etc etc.

so what? I could care less if Obama goes to church or not.

I'd much rather a President not go to church than use a book released by the Roman Government to dictate policy.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what? I could care less if Obama goes to church or not.

I'd much rather a President not go to church than use a book released by the Roman Government to dictate policy.

The fact he doesn't go to church anymore doesn't bother me either, however him saying he would be a disruption is a 'dog ate my homework' excuse.

Obama has mastered straddling the fence. He is religious, prays everyday, but has no church affiliation. He believes marriage is between a man and woman and doesn’t care what gay people do in the bedroom. The White Sox are his favorite team but the Cubs are his favorite player. He’s a lawyer who’s never tried a case. A State senator who rarely gave a vote and a brother/nephew to a brother/aunt who he doesn’t even know.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The fact he doesn't go to church anymore doesn't bother me either,....

Oh. You fooled me by your two years of unending, detailed attention and interest, and wild speculations, regarding Obama's private religious habits

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Honu

Tell me where to find one. Somewhere down the line they ALL say something about religion and sex.

Originally Posted by GBBob

When has Obama ever made those kind of statements?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ6vZRy62KY