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Old 02-26-2011, 07:49 PM
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I didn't say Soldat didn't have a better trip, and perhaps the race came up fast, though I am somewhat dubious as to how fast, and I still maintain his performance was poorer than some will say because of how dressed up he was going in. He failed the first time everything didn't go his way. That is a bad sign.

He could still win the Derby.....but that depends on Uncle Mo. I'm just not a big fan.
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:20 PM
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I didn't say Soldat didn't have a better trip, and perhaps the race came up fast, though I am somewhat dubious as to how fast, and I still maintain his performance was poorer than some will say because of how dressed up he was going in. He failed the first time everything didn't go his way. That is a bad sign.

He could still win the Derby.....but that depends on Uncle Mo. I'm just not a big fan.
I would guess the figure to be somewhere in the 106-to-109 range. It was about 20 points faster than the alw race.

The pace was about 30 points faster than the 9f alw race pace.
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Old 02-26-2011, 08:56 PM
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I would guess the figure to be somewhere in the 106-to-109 range. It was about 20 points faster than the alw race.

The pace was about 30 points faster than the 9f alw race pace.
And that makes sense to you as a single variant situation?

I don't have a good answer, by the way, but I'm skeptical at face value.
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:04 PM
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I thought To Honor And Serve ran like junk today. There wasn't much about his race I could give him a pass on, sans the outside draw/wide early. But even then, he's supposed to finish better. He was done and out with about 3 1/2 furlongs to go.

On the other hand, he does have room to improve going forward, and yes, it was his first start of the year. That said, I was never really impressed with his Remsen, and will sit on the "exposed" opposed to "needed the race" side of the coin for now.
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:04 PM
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And that makes sense to you as a single variant situation?
I think it does. If anyone thinks it doesn't I'd like to hear there take why.
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:22 PM
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Arch Traveler - 76
San Pablo - 79
R Heat Lightning - 98
Flashpoint - 102
Soldat - 96
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:28 PM
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Arch Traveler - 76
San Pablo - 79
R Heat Lightning - 98
Flashpoint - 102
Soldat - 96
Arch Traveler ran a 7 point new career worst - and went backwards 14 points off of his last race in victory?

Even Gourmet Dinner went backwards! Everything in the only two route races today all went backwards!
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Old 02-26-2011, 09:30 PM
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I'm with you that they don't look right.
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Old 02-27-2011, 12:01 PM
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Arch Traveler ran a 7 point new career worst - and went backwards 14 points off of his last race in victory?

Even Gourmet Dinner went backwards! Everything in the only two route races today all went backwards!
I agree the figs are too low, but not to the extent you have them. I think the allowance was hindered by a dawdling pace which kept the winner in the low 80s. I have Soldat in the low 100s.
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