New Low From CDI/CRC Mgmt (Update: Restriction lifted)

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Except they are being forced by Calder to not run or risk the possibility of not getting stalls back. That is more or less blackmail. Can the horseman choose to leave? Yes obviously. But that isn't the question here. It is Calder/CDI flippantly using the horseman as a bargaining chip to their detriment regardless of how the end game plays out.

Does the fear of losing stalls running horses away always enter into the mind of a trainer? Can a trainer with 10 stalls at Belmont just run to Philly all the time and run in a 16k claimer without NYRA having a talk with him/her?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Does the fear of losing stalls running horses away always enter into the mind of a trainer? Can a trainer with 10 stalls at Belmont just run to Philly all the time and run in a 16k claimer without NYRA having a talk with him/her?

The difference being that Calder isnt offering any races presently. I'm sure if NYRA shut down for 3 months they wouldnt have an issue with shipping to Philly Park during the downtime.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference being that Calder isnt offering any races presently. I'm sure if NYRA shut down for 3 months they wouldnt have an issue with shipping to Philly Park during the downtime.

I agree it sucks what do you want for free? you want freedom it costs so go to Palm Meadows/Payson's and rent space. It sucks but it is well within there rights if horseman were aligned they would enter when Calder opens and just repeatly scratch once a week

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I agree it sucks what do you want for free? you want freedom it costs so go to Palm Meadows/Payson's and rent space. It sucks but it is well within there rights if horseman were aligned they would enter when Calder opens and just repeatly scratch once a week

But it isnt free. Horseman dont have to pay stall rent but if Calder closes the backside or charges stall rent their tax rate goes up something like 5 times what it is now. So the price of keeping the backside open is far less than the price of not having it open.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But it isnt free. Horseman dont have to pay stall rent but if Calder closes the backside or charges stall rent their tax rate goes up something like 5 times what it is now. So the price of keeping the backside open is far less than the price of not having it open.

So Calder should continue to subsidize trainers and owners that are using it's free stalls to fill races at GP after GP essentailly declred war on them? Especially when Calder's plan is to start racing year round in response to GP? For once it may be time for government to step in on this one and reregulate dates since the tracks couldn't behave on their own, but surely that will come at a price too.

[Alan07]

Gulfstream amends racing dates request
Officials from Gulfstream Park responded Wednesday to the escalating dispute with Calder Racecourse by amending their racing dates request – applying to open on Nov. 26, one week earlier than originally proposed – and creating extra stalls for horses who ship to race from Calder.

The moves comes one day after Calder management informed their horsemen that effective Saturday any horse leaving the Calder grounds to race would not be allowed to return without permission from racing secretary Mike Anifantis. The lone exception would be for horses racing in graded stakes, and even those horses would not be allowed to return to Calder until the day after they race.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

So Calder should continue to subsidize trainers and owners that are using it's free stalls to fill races at GP after GP essentailly declred war on them? Especially when Calder's plan is to start racing year round in response to GP? For once it may be time for government to step in on this one and reregulate dates since the tracks couldn't behave on their own, but surely that will come at a price too.

Did you miss the point about a lower tax rate to keep the backside open? Horseman are running at GP because they are open.The dispute is over future dates, not current dates. The idea that CDI keeps the backside open free of charge to assist owners and trainers is simply not true. Did you ever wonder why they don't charge stall rent when they aren't open like they do at CD? Just because Calder and GP are having a dispute about dates doesnt make essentially shutting down the business of the trainers and owners at Calder ok.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you miss the point about a lower tax rate to keep the backside open? Horseman are running at GP because they are open.The dispute is over future dates, not current dates. The idea that CDI keeps the backside open free of charge to assist owners and trainers is simply not true. Did you ever wonder why they don't charge stall rent when they aren't open like they do at CD? Just because Calder and GP are having a dispute about dates doesnt make essentially shutting down the business of the trainers and owners at Calder ok.

Ok or not is a matter of perspective and if you don't think the issue is linked, you don't have much of it at all.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you miss the point about a lower tax rate to keep the backside open? Horseman are running at GP because they are open.The dispute is over future dates, not current dates. The idea that CDI keeps the backside open free of charge to assist owners and trainers is simply not true. Did you ever wonder why they don't charge stall rent when they aren't open like they do at CD? Just because Calder and GP are having a dispute about dates doesnt make essentially shutting down the business of the trainers and owners at Calder ok.

i think you are kind of missing the point....gulfstream is partly responsible. that meet keeps expanding and it causes friction with other tracks. i mean if you like 5k claimers 4, 5 months a year at the place, fine. that track used to be a WINTER ELITE meet. by now they would be getting near the end of the meet, for crying out loud.....now the FLA derby is in april(are you kidding me!) when they run all the other preps....its a joke. they water down every card with races i would not even bet on that lower tracks could be running(calder, notice they kind of leave stakes horses out of it).....then they sit there wondering why others get pissed off. i usually don't even look at the PP's until after the 5th race at GP and once late march hits it really sucks......all day...so what are they trying to accomplish......more dates??....more racing???...even if its cheap claimers???...at the expense of everyone else....of course none of this is OK but threatened tracks will fight before they go down. when it becomes cut throat these are the issues that come with it. its rarely one sided folks........the parties hurt are just casualties.....if calder gets hurt enough and shuts down.........ALL the REVENUE, FOR EVERYONE, from that track will be gone....then they can rent stall space before its townhouses or something.....lol