Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Riot

The man was elected Governor - not dictator. He's thrown his lot in with the Koch brothers, rather than his citizens. He's absolutely refusing to budge. Good luck with that.

I seem to recall we just finished two years of complete and total obstructionism within the Senate of the United States. Don't recall you complaining about the minority dictating to the majority what will happen, and what will not, there. They all need to grow up, and work together.

even if it means you have to compromise your principles

oh sorry

forgot who I was talking to

[Riot]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

even if it means you have to compromise your principles

oh sorry

forgot who I was talking to

No, you do not have to compromise your principles to compromise politically.

How's that crazy birther conspiracy thing you love working for you? Were you sad the Supreme Court threw it out?

[Riot]

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loca...cc4c03286.html

Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown Madison

The billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.

Charles and David Koch, who co-own Koch Industries Inc. and whose combined worth is estimated at $43 billion, have been recently tied with Walker's push to eliminate collective bargaining rights for public workers. The two have long backed conservative causes and groups including Americans for Prosperity, which organized the Tea Party rally Saturday in support of Walker's plan to strip public workers of collective bargaining rights and recently launched the Stand with Scott Walker website.

Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity, acknowledged in a New York Times story Tuesday that he had encouraged Walker even before the election to mount a showdown with labor groups.

Koch Companies Public Sector LLC occupies a seventh-floor suite at 10 E. Doty St. According to an unidentified tenant there, the lobbying group moved in two weeks before Walker was elected governor on November 2. Jeffrey Schoepke, the company's regional manager, did not return a phone call seeking more information on the firm.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loca...cc4c03286.html

Koch brothers quietly open lobbying office in downtown Madison

The billionaire brothers whose political action committee gave Gov. Scott Walker $43,000 and helped fund a multi-million dollar attack ad campaign against his opponent during the 2010 gubernatorial election have quietly opened a lobbying office in Madison just off the Capitol Square.

Charles and David Koch, who co-own Koch Industries Inc. and whose combined worth is estimated at $43 billion, have been recently tied with Walker's push to eliminate collective bargaining rights for public workers. The two have long backed conservative causes and groups including Americans for Prosperity, which organized the Tea Party rally Saturday in support of Walker's plan to strip public workers of collective bargaining rights and recently launched the Stand with Scott Walker website.

Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity, acknowledged in a New York Times story Tuesday that he had encouraged Walker even before the election to mount a showdown with labor groups.

Koch Companies Public Sector LLC occupies a seventh-floor suite at 10 E. Doty St. According to an unidentified tenant there, the lobbying group moved in two weeks before Walker was elected governor on November 2. Jeffrey Schoepke, the company's regional manager, did not return a phone call seeking more information on the firm.

Actually their goal is to use genetic engineering at UW Madison to clone the perfect laborer and eliminate all jobs for people currently employed.

Can I ask you one question? Since when is collective bargaining in the public sector a god given right?

Here is what Democratic President FDR had to say:

All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can I ask you one question? Since when is collective bargaining in the public sector a god given right?

What does a god have to do with anything?

Legally - which is the only standard in our country - there is nothing wrong with unions in a constitutional sense. Unions are definitively allowed within our "union" of states. In both public and private sector.

Collective bargaining is an agreement, a contract, between and employer and their employees. It's pure libertarian capitalism in action - each side is to bargain towards their own maximum self-interest and benefit. They shake on the result agreement and sign on the dotted line.

So when a corporate mouthpiece like Scott Walker attempts to quietly ram through a bill ending 50 years of collective bargaining rights within a few days, with little debate - the unions, and those that support them, most certainly have every "right" to stand up for their own self-interest. It's the Libertarian, capitalistic thing to do

In Wisconsin, public sector employees earn about 5% less than their counterpart in the private sector. That could be one reason why unions still exist in Wisconsin.

Because in places where employees feel treated and paid fairly for their work, unions do not gain footholds.

Not to mention the threats to all workers on a federal level right now, where some current congressmen want to relax child labor laws, lower the minimum wage, relax workplace safety regulations, etc.

Seems unions may be more needed than ever in the next few years if those guys get their way.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What does a god have to do with anything?

Legally - which is the only standard in our country - there is nothing wrong with unions in a constitutional sense. Unions are definitively allowed within our "union" of states. In both public and private sector.

Collective bargaining is an agreement, a contract, between and employer and their employees. It's pure libertarian capitalism in action - each side is to bargain towards their own maximum self-interest and benefit. They shake on the result agreement and sign on the dotted line.

So when a corporate mouthpiece like Scott Walker attempts to quietly ram through a bill ending 50 years of collective bargaining rights within a few days, with little debate - the unions, and those that support them, most certainly have every "right" to stand up for their own self-interest. It's the Libertarian, capitalistic thing to do

In Wisconsin, public sector employees earn about 5% less than their counterpart in the private sector. That could be one reason why unions still exist in Wisconsin.

Because in places where employees feel treated and paid fairly for their work, unions do not gain footholds.

Not to mention the threats to all workers on a federal level right now, where some current congressmen want to relax child labor laws, lower the minimum wage, relax workplace safety regulations, etc.

Seems unions may be more needed than ever in the next few years if those guys get their way.

In typically democratic fashion you didn't answer my question. Since when is collective bargaining in the public sector a right?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

In typically democratic fashion you didn't answer my question. Since when is collective bargaining in the public sector a right?

Nonsense. Wrong. I clearly answered it. Look again. Second paragraph. You know, that Constitution thingy that gives us our "rights" to enter legal agreements? All our decades of previous constitutional law that verifies our "right" to form and bargain as a union? And an employers "right" to pay all employees according to bargaining agreements they've made with a "union"?