Bluegrass Cat Retired

[todko]

I always wondered what the deal was with them running front wraps on Bluegrass Cat for the Travers. First time front wraps. Not a good sign. Not like Pletcher was trying make other trainers guess in a nickel claimer or something.

When I saw the early fractions in the Travers I knew it was trouble. A healthy BC would have run better than that. Comes out of it with a fracture. Something sure doesn't add up with that picture.

Thankfully he survived it. And good for him that he's getting $50k. If his offspring are as game as he was we have something to look forward to.

[pmayjr]

50k? a lil much don't ya think?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

50k? a lil much don't ya think?

Yeah, it probably is a little high for a horse that only ever won one G1 race.

But he could POTENTIALLY be a great stallion. Yes he's a Storm Cat, but examine the bottom half of his pedigree too. Look at his dam....She's A Winner.
She is by AP Indy and out of a graded stakes winning daughter of Mr. P. In addition to Bluegrass Cat she has already produced another multiple Graded stakes winner out of only 3 offspring to hit the track. That is a pretty nice pedigree.
I guess in today's breeding industry the big question is.....if you have a stallion like BC that is by Storm Cat and out of an AP Indy mare.....who are you going to breed the horse too? Are there any mares out there anymore that aren't closely related to one or both of these two horses?

[Cannon Shell]

You know stud fees are a little out of control when this horse starts at $50k

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You know stud fees are a little out of control when this horse starts at $50k

i thought it was out of control when ghostzapper started for 200k!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i thought it was out of control when ghostzapper started for 200k!

Nothing Frank S does is surprising

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You know stud fees are a little out of control when this horse starts at $50k

just more fad breeding, to sell...and underperform on the track

[Danzig]

i think 50k is steep. a lot of well bred horses out there. but i guess they have a lot of interest so they feel they can charge that fee.
storm cat is so popular because he backs up the hype, a lot of success over the years from him. he's not standing for 500k for nothing!

but....there are a lot of good horses out there for that price. do you go for proven, or for some storm cat magic??
as for mares to breed to--they're out there.

[quote=todko]I always wondered what the deal was with them running front wraps on Bluegrass Cat for the Travers. First time front wraps. Not a good sign. Not like Pletcher was trying make other trainers guess in a nickel claimer or something.

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In his last work before the Travers he probably ran down up front, getting off the hind leg that was bothering him that he ended up with a broken pastern in. Too bad Pletcher didn't put 2 and 2 together. Or maybe he did but kept on pushing. Not surprised if that's the case.

[quote=Blue Eyes]

Originally Posted by todko

I always wondered what the deal was with them running front wraps on Bluegrass Cat for the Travers. First time front wraps. Not a good sign. Not like Pletcher was trying make other trainers guess in a nickel claimer or something.

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In his last work before the Travers he probably ran down up front, getting off the hind leg that was bothering him that he ended up with a broken pastern in. Too bad Pletcher didn't put 2 and 2 together. Or maybe he did but kept on pushing. Not surprised if that's the case.

Yeah yeah yeah, He doesn't know anything about problems or training, thats why he wins the races he does.
This is so tiresome its silly. Guys constantly lobbing grenades at someone who works hard and is successful.

[quote=oracle80]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Yeah yeah yeah, He doesn't know anything about problems or training, thats why he wins the races he does.
This is so tiresome its silly. Guys constantly lobbing grenades at someone who works hard and is successful.

Maybe you need to re-read my post. Especially the 2nd to last sentence. That's my take on the situation. Most trainers try to figure out why a horse is running down where it usually doesn't run down. I'm sure Pletcher knew. He also knew the horse was heading to the shed soon too. What? You think those front wraps were for ankle support??? What's your reason for them? You think Pletcher just wanted to see what BC would look like with socks?
BTW, do you really think Pletcher worked hard to get where he's at? He walked out of Waynes barn and had horses waiting for him. Yeah, that's real tough. And I've seen how Lukas' assistants work. The only thing they worry about is hearing Wayne scream at them every now and then. I've seen outfits ten times tougher to work for than his.

[Danzig]

i remember another race, another horse with first time front wraps. trainer said it was just a little extra precaution. horse ran a heck of a race that day, won it easily. that's when azeri won the distaff at arlington en route to horse of the year honors.

[quote=Blue Eyes]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Maybe you need to re-read my post. Especially the 2nd to last sentence. That's my take on the situation. Most trainers try to figure out why a horse is running down where it usually doesn't run down. I'm sure Pletcher knew. He also knew the horse was heading to the shed soon too. What? You think those front wraps were for ankle support??? What's your reason for them? You think Pletcher just wanted to see what BC would look like with socks?
BTW, do you really think Pletcher worked hard to get where he's at? He walked out of Waynes barn and had horses waiting for him. Yeah, that's real tough. And I've seen how Lukas' assistants work. The only thing they worry about is hearing Wayne scream at them every now and then. I've seen outfits ten times tougher to work for than his.

Lemme tell you something. Todd is not only very smart and a master at his craft, but very professional as well.
Ever deal with him on anything? He as professional as they come. Lemme guess, if you had his stock you would do even better, and hes just lucky, blah blah blah. What a joke.

[ELA]

There is no doubt Pletcher knows his craft -- period. On the other hand, several people who sit near me in Saratoga immediately noticed the front wraps as did I. Tom Amello and Nick Kling spoke about it the next day and I know Tom picked up on it instantaneously because he came right over to me and said something.

Sure it was a sign but to draw a straight line from one to the other, that's a huge reach as far as I am concerned.

Eric

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ELA

There is no doubt Pletcher knows his craft -- period. On the other hand, several people who sit near me in Saratoga immediately noticed the front wraps as did I. Tom Amello and Nick Kling spoke about it the next day and I know Tom picked up on instantaneously because he came right over to me and said something.

Sure it was a sign but to draw a straight line from one to the other, that's a huge reach as far as I am concerned.

Eric

i wonder how many jumped off his bandwagon when they saw them??? i bet not nearly as many as those who brought up the front wraps after they found out about the fracture. easy to look smart when the outcome is known!!
i don't recall anyone on here commenting at or after race time about his wraps, only the next day when the news came out....ah, hindsight. always 20-20.

[quote=oracle80]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Lemme tell you something. Todd is not only very smart and a master at his craft, but very professional as well.
Ever deal with him on anything? He as professional as they come. Lemme guess, if you had his stock you would do even better, and hes just lucky, blah blah blah. What a joke.

Lemme tell you something, I never said the man wasn't a good trainer. He trains just like his mentor. Hard. He gets results for his owners. Win. No owner wants to lay a horse up for 9 months. Lukas rarely lays a horse up. Same goes for Pletcher. Strike while the iron is hot, cause when it comes back from off the farm you're gettin' it back luke warm most the time. They know that's the case so they don't bother with the lay ups.
BTW, "rumor" is that BC did run down in his left front before his last race (don't know if in a work or his race before). Does anyone remember which hind leg was injured? I don't remember, (didn't pay much attention), but my guess would be diagonal from front left - right hind.

[quote=Blue Eyes]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Lemme tell you something, I never said the man wasn't a good trainer. He trains just like his mentor. Hard. He gets results for his owners. Win. No owner wants to lay a horse up for 9 months. Lukas rarely lays a horse up. Same goes for Pletcher. Strike while the iron is hot, cause when it comes back from off the farm you're gettin' it back luke warm most the time. They know that's the case so they don't bother with the lay ups.
BTW, "rumor" is that BC did run down in his left front before his last race (don't know if in a work or his race before). Does anyone remember which hind leg was injured? I don't remember, (didn't pay much attention), but my guess would be diagonal from front left - right hind.

Everyone knows it was the right hind.
And excuse me for finding it hard to believe that you didn't pay attention to this, while paying such in depth attention to every other aspect of the situation.

[quote=Blue Eyes]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Lemme tell you something, I never said the man wasn't a good trainer. He trains just like his mentor. Hard. He gets results for his owners. Win. No owner wants to lay a horse up for 9 months. Lukas rarely lays a horse up. Same goes for Pletcher. Strike while the iron is hot, cause when it comes back from off the farm you're gettin' it back luke warm most the time. They know that's the case so they don't bother with the lay ups.
BTW, "rumor" is that BC did run down in his left front before his last race (don't know if in a work or his race before). Does anyone remember which hind leg was injured? I don't remember, (didn't pay much attention), but my guess would be diagonal from front left - right hind.

In addition Todd lays up many horses, and his win % is extremely high in those situations.