DADT possible vote tonight!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

In the previous two years, all of the following had more than enough votes, Constitutionally, to pass into law, and were passed or passable by the House, but were filibustered by the Senate GOP so that those votes could not even be taken.

In the new Senate, where the Democrats still hold the majority, these bills would still pass.

Health care with a public option
Tougher financial reform
A more aggressive recovery package that actually would have lowered unemployment
The DREAM act
A climate and energy policy
Renewal of the nuclear START treaty
Repeal of DADT
A middle class-only tax cut

I want my country back. I'm in favor of our Constitution. I'm in favor of voting for a House of Representatives, and a Senate, and allowing them to vote on the issues facing our country.

A bit hypocritical no? Even for a former republican!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

A bit hypocritical no? Even for a former republican!

Hypocritical? That middle America co-opts a rightwing talking point? What's hypocritical about following our Constitution, and demanding our elected officials do the same? We have a small group working hard at blocking our governmental, Constitutional processes. Most of the issues, above, would pass, but I'm sure some would not. The point is, that our Constitution allows us to elect a House, and a Senate, and the Constitution says the important issues of our day get to be brought up, discussed, and voted upon by our elected representatives. The GOP is completely blocking our Constitutional processes. Enough is enough.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hypocritical? That middle America co-opts a rightwing talking point? What's hypocritical about following our Constitution, and demanding our elected officials do the same? We have a small group working hard at blocking our governmental, Constitutional processes. Most of the issues, above, would pass, but I'm sure some would not. The point is, that our Constitution allows us to elect a House, and a Senate, and the Constitution says the important issues of our day get to be brought up, discussed, and voted upon. The GOP is completely blocking our Constitutional processes. Enough is enough.

I highlighted the DREAM ACT and wanting your country back.

How does educating, giving citizenship and then employing ILLEGALS get the country back other than putting legals on the 3 yr unemployment plan? The illegals that sign onto the military are obviously taking the place of someone as we have no draft and I thought we (WE BEING LEGAL AMERICANS) have an unemployment problem?

But then again you agreed with the President saying we couldn't afford NOT to let the tax relief expire for those over 250K but now somehow have the money to not only continue the Bush plan for all but ALSO put in a payroll and SS tax reduction? What did we hit the lotto and I don't know it?

[Antitrust32]

"This bill would provide certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously and illegally for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning"



yeah, like that is such a horrible thing. Del, get a grip.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, like that is such a horrible thing. Del, get a grip.

This is just getting the foot in the door for later.

Adios amigos, maybe when things improve a little bit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

"This bill would provide certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously and illegally for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning"



yeah, like that is such a horrible thing. Del, get a grip.

There are plenty of issues with it.
1. How does the gov't define "good moral character"?
2. How do you prove a minor has been in the country for 5 continous years?
3. Who exactly is going to pay for them to attend a 4 year college? And is it fair that illegals will get preference over citizens? As we all know colleges lie to have a "diverse" student population and what is more diverse than illegal ailens?
4. And why in the world do they have to only do 2 years at a 4 year school? Wouldn't a degree at a 2 year school be better than 2 years and out the door at a 4 year school?

I believe we need a much better immigration policy. But this is simply pandering to the latino voters

[Riot]

There are plenty of issues with it.

I don't see them.

1. How does the gov't define "good moral character"?

Documentable things like no arrests help. School records of being in trouble or not. Community service, volunteerism, etc.

2. How do you prove a minor has been in the country for 5 continous years?

School records.

3. Who exactly is going to pay for them to attend a 4 year college?

They do. It's part of wanting to be a citizen. Earning it.

And is it fair that illegals will get preference over citizens?

Nobody said that. They get no "preference" That's something you made up.

As we all know colleges lie to have a "diverse" student population and what is more diverse than illegal ailens?

Your "preference" fear is completely false. You'll have to deal with the private and public colleges of the country regarding their admissions policies, if you don't care for them.

4. And why in the world do they have to only do 2 years at a 4 year school? Wouldn't a degree at a 2 year school be better than 2 years and out the door at a 4 year school?

Because the plan is to encourage advanced education (continuing on to finish a degree) which tends to ensure a fairly contributing citizen to society. Or, they can do a little military service to give back to their country. Either way, if they want to stay here and earn their citizenship, they have to earn it. They can't just drop out of high school, or finish high school, and just stay here illegally.

(I'm reminded several countries require 2 years military service of all their young citizens)

I believe we need a much better immigration policy. But this is simply pandering to the latino voters

Or, one can see it's making the children of illegals, who through no choice of their own were brought here, lived here throughout their childhood, speak English, grew up here, attended school here, know and have already integrated into our culture - a way to legally stay in their home country. Because we don't punish the innocent for crimes they didn't commit. If they want to stay here when they reach majority, they can do so, if they go through the path to citizenship. It's logical, it doesn't cost the government other than the paperwork, and it encourages productive, dedicated Americans.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I highlighted the DREAM ACT and wanting your country back.

How does educating, giving citizenship and then employing ILLEGALS get the country back other than putting legals on the 3 yr unemployment plan? The illegals that sign onto the military are obviously taking the place of someone as we have no draft and I thought we (WE BEING LEGAL AMERICANS) have an unemployment problem?

In my America, hardworking immigrants that want to become citizens - like my grandparents - are welcomed. Children of illegals are minors - they didn't make the conscious choice to be illegal, as their parents did. This is their home and, when they are adults, if they want to renounce their country of origin and follow the path to gain citizenship, more power to them. And I don't care if they are Canadian, Irish or German.

But then again you agreed with the President saying we couldn't afford NOT to let the tax relief expire for those over 250K but now somehow have the money to not only continue the Bush plan for all but ALSO put in a payroll and SS tax reduction? What did we hit the lotto and I don't know it?

Did you miss where I have repeatedly said I am against that, as it is unfunded, and I want it funded? We can get rid of those ridiculous non-job-producing tax cuts for those earning over 1 million, that will fund half of it readily. I am for a payroll tax deduction, but against it coming from Social Security as it sets a precedence I don't like.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you miss where I have repeatedly said I am against that, as it is unfunded, and I want it funded? We can get rid of those ridiculous non-job-producing tax cuts for those earning over 1 million, that will fund half of it readily. I am for a payroll tax deduction, but against it coming from Social Security as it sets a precedence I don't like.

well i'm thrilled the dems turned on Obama and no worries a bunch of new energized faces will be in DC soon. It's too commonly used but this crew has done enough, in fact far too much.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

well i'm thrilled the dems turned on Obama and no worries a bunch of new energized faces will be in DC soon. It's too commonly used but this crew has done enough, in fact far too much.

Because personal dislike issues are more important to you than our massive deficit? I seem to recall you screeching about the cost of this. You are throwing out allies who agree with you simply due to your prejudice against Democrats? Do you have a consistent point of view, Dell?

Let me ask you this, too: are you for the party whose priority is catering to the wealthiest 2% of our country? Who voted down tax cuts for the middle class, who voted down tax cuts for all those who earn up to 1 million dollars, and held out for tax cuts for those richest that earn over 1 million dollars? The party who, for the first time in 48 years, failed to pass a defense appropriations bill, rather than let gay military servicepeople willing to die for their country not have to continue to lie? This is the party making choices you like?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because personal dislike issues are more important to you than our massive deficit? I seem to recall you screeching about the cost of this. You are throwing out allies who agree with you simply due to your prejudice against Democrats? Do you have a consistent point of view, Dell?

I don't want what this or any other 900 billion dollar anything right now. I want a 900 billion cut. I also think everyone should be taxed at the same percentage (you know equal?). Shrink the government to meet the budget.