DADT possible vote tonight!

[Antitrust32]

"This bill would provide certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously and illegally for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning"



yeah, like that is such a horrible thing. Del, get a grip.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah, like that is such a horrible thing. Del, get a grip.

This is just getting the foot in the door for later.

Adios amigos, maybe when things improve a little bit.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I highlighted the DREAM ACT and wanting your country back.

How does educating, giving citizenship and then employing ILLEGALS get the country back other than putting legals on the 3 yr unemployment plan? The illegals that sign onto the military are obviously taking the place of someone as we have no draft and I thought we (WE BEING LEGAL AMERICANS) have an unemployment problem?

In my America, hardworking immigrants that want to become citizens - like my grandparents - are welcomed. Children of illegals are minors - they didn't make the conscious choice to be illegal, as their parents did. This is their home and, when they are adults, if they want to renounce their country of origin and follow the path to gain citizenship, more power to them. And I don't care if they are Canadian, Irish or German.

But then again you agreed with the President saying we couldn't afford NOT to let the tax relief expire for those over 250K but now somehow have the money to not only continue the Bush plan for all but ALSO put in a payroll and SS tax reduction? What did we hit the lotto and I don't know it?

Did you miss where I have repeatedly said I am against that, as it is unfunded, and I want it funded? We can get rid of those ridiculous non-job-producing tax cuts for those earning over 1 million, that will fund half of it readily. I am for a payroll tax deduction, but against it coming from Social Security as it sets a precedence I don't like.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Did you miss where I have repeatedly said I am against that, as it is unfunded, and I want it funded? We can get rid of those ridiculous non-job-producing tax cuts for those earning over 1 million, that will fund half of it readily. I am for a payroll tax deduction, but against it coming from Social Security as it sets a precedence I don't like.

well i'm thrilled the dems turned on Obama and no worries a bunch of new energized faces will be in DC soon. It's too commonly used but this crew has done enough, in fact far too much.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

well i'm thrilled the dems turned on Obama and no worries a bunch of new energized faces will be in DC soon. It's too commonly used but this crew has done enough, in fact far too much.

Because personal dislike issues are more important to you than our massive deficit? I seem to recall you screeching about the cost of this. You are throwing out allies who agree with you simply due to your prejudice against Democrats? Do you have a consistent point of view, Dell?

Let me ask you this, too: are you for the party whose priority is catering to the wealthiest 2% of our country? Who voted down tax cuts for the middle class, who voted down tax cuts for all those who earn up to 1 million dollars, and held out for tax cuts for those richest that earn over 1 million dollars? The party who, for the first time in 48 years, failed to pass a defense appropriations bill, rather than let gay military servicepeople willing to die for their country not have to continue to lie? This is the party making choices you like?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Because personal dislike issues are more important to you than our massive deficit? I seem to recall you screeching about the cost of this. You are throwing out allies who agree with you simply due to your prejudice against Democrats? Do you have a consistent point of view, Dell?

I don't want what this or any other 900 billion dollar anything right now. I want a 900 billion cut. I also think everyone should be taxed at the same percentage (you know equal?). Shrink the government to meet the budget.

[dellinger63]

I'd also suggest rather than worrying about some illegal getting a degree and citizenship we put some of the unemployed maybe even a few who don't have far to go to get a degree back in school and get those people back to work.

BTW sorry RIOT, wasn't aware your ancestors snuck into the country but now understand how you feel the way you do.

[Riot]

I'd also suggest rather than worrying about some illegal getting a degree and citizenship

That would be you having the fit over that

BTW sorry RIOT, wasn't aware your ancestors snuck into the country but now understand how you feel the way you do.

I didn't say they were illegal, you fool, I said they were immigrants. You do know that immigration by foreigners is allowed and perfectly legal? Maybe we should concentrate on programs that teach folks how to read? And teach them some basic American history - such as we are a nation of immigrants? The whole melting pot idea? Think hard, Dell ... when did your "people" come to America? Because even if it was the Mayflower, that makes you just as immigrant as every other single American not American Indian.

[Danzig]

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I didn't say they were illegal, you fool, I said they were immigrants..

You compared them as though they were the same as the illegals thus I thought they must have snuck in. I guess in your world bank robbers and bank patrons are all just 'people in the bank'

BTW My people came thru Ellis Island like a lot of people and they had to be 'sponsored' you know have a job and place to stay to start out? In fact their SS cards have the employer printed on the back. Not quite as exciting as scaling a fence or hiding in the back of a semi but it was legal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

In the new Senate, where the Democrats still hold the majority, these bills would still pass.

Health care with a public option Bad idea
Tougher financial reformbad idea
A more aggressive recovery package that actually would have lowered unemploymentLOL
The DREAM actidea that needs a lot to tweaking
A climate and energy policybad idea
Renewal of the nuclear START treatywill eventually get done
Repeal of DADTwill happen eventually
A middle class-only tax cutbad idea

I want my country back. I'm in favor of our Constitution. I'm in favor of voting for a House of Representatives, and a Senate, and allowing them to vote on the issues facing our country.

LOL. Stop the whining, deal with it. The GOP said very clearly they would not deal with anything else until the tax cuts were taken care of. The Pres has a deal with them but the democrats cry and cry and cry and then cry some more when the GOP does exactly what they told them they would do. I'm sorry to alert you to the fact that gays in the military is slightly less on the minds of most Americans right now with a gigantic tax increase staring them in the face.

And since the GOP seems to have learned some lessons from their ass beating in 2008, you'd better get used to it.
At least you will have plenty to complain about for the next 10 years.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

"This bill would provide certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously and illegally for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning"



yeah, like that is such a horrible thing. Del, get a grip.

There are plenty of issues with it.
1. How does the gov't define "good moral character"?
2. How do you prove a minor has been in the country for 5 continous years?
3. Who exactly is going to pay for them to attend a 4 year college? And is it fair that illegals will get preference over citizens? As we all know colleges lie to have a "diverse" student population and what is more diverse than illegal ailens?
4. And why in the world do they have to only do 2 years at a 4 year school? Wouldn't a degree at a 2 year school be better than 2 years and out the door at a 4 year school?

I believe we need a much better immigration policy. But this is simply pandering to the latino voters

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

This is the truth. The first part is good. The second part is bad. The third part is just plain ugly. Why do liberals care about the deficit all the sudden? Where was this onslaught of frugalness when they were cramming through massive spending bills for the last 2 years? Everything is "unfunded" untill they TAKE the money from the taxpayers. It's past time for the Govt. (and a lot of Americans) to live within their means.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

hell will freeze over before the filibuster changes. the party with the majority has an easy excuse for stuff not getting done when the minority blocks it. but they know that when they in turn are the minority, they want that same power. these guys aren't going to do something that would end up hurting them down the road.
as for the dadt filibuster- i said weeks ago that the courts will overturn it, congress and the prez haven't got the guts. a significant portion of the country doesn't want it to change, and no pol is wanting to vote for something that might cost them re-election later. that's why they filibustered, so they wouldn't HAVE to vote.
makes you wonder how much of the stuff being 'bustered is done for a reason. those guys scratch each others' back all the time. look at rangel. hand slapped for his ethics violations, because no one wants to get hard time when it's their turn. why anyone expects anything from any pol, regardless of party, is beyond me. they don't put their country first, their constituents first, they put themselves and the party first.

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

2/3rds of the country wants DADT to be changes... plus 70% of the military.

I agree and the number goes way up if you leave out the marines. If they could be left out DADT is repealed yesterday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'd also suggest rather than worrying about some illegal getting a degree and citizenship we put some of the unemployed maybe even a few who don't have far to go to get a degree back in school and get those people back to work.

BTW sorry RIOT, wasn't aware your ancestors snuck into the country but now understand how you feel the way you do.

[jms62]

DADT should be changed to WGAS .. Who Gives A Shi<t, we have mayny more pressing issues to get fired up about during this depression.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I agree and the number goes way up if you leave out the marines. If they could be left out DADT is repealed yesterday.

The thing is, I dont see why the right (i should call them the wrong instead) is against it. Its not like all of the sudden the marines is going to become the best gay club on the planet. and change to pink camo.

If a gay marine tries to improperly hit on a straight marine and makes the unit uncomfortable, he should be kicked out, or demoted, or whatever they do. Just like if a straight man improperly tries a straight woman (like exposes himself or something). he also should be kicked out, or demoted.

But to throw out people who are willing to die for their country, just because someone found out they are gay.. is pathetic and an embarrassment for our country and military.

The Repubs are so wrong they should be ashamed of themselves.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The thing is, I dont see why the right (i should call them the wrong instead) is against it...

I think a good portion of the right is for repeal, especially those under 60. I also think the majority of Marines active and retired, are against it. Leaving the marines out could just be a compromise that gets 80% of the repeal done now and maybe in another 1/2 generation they'll be ready to come onboard.

[Antitrust32]

I think the Marines need to deal with it. in about 1 week time after the repeal is done, they will realize it was like the smallest deal in the world and that nothing has changed for the worse.