Goldlikova vs Zenyatta

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So winning the BC Classic makes you great?

No one questions her distance ability, just her greatness...

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

It's her level of greatness that's questioned.

As in, like, there is no freaking way she's better than a Secretariat or Spectacular Bid.

Nor is she greater than a number of fillies and mares I can think of in the last 25 years.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

As in, like, there is no freaking way she's better than a Secretariat or Spectacular Bid.

I dont think people with a clue suggest that.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont think people with a clue suggest that.

HAH!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont think people with a clue suggest that.

Didn't Mike Smith suggest it on 60 Minutes?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Didn't Mike Smith suggest it on 60 Minutes?

you think jockeys that ride horses should be taken seriously? I think all the falls start to affect the thinking process......lots of beer as well.

Gary Stevens says Zenyatta is the horse he has ever seen.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you think jockeys that ride horses should be taken seriously? I think all the falls start to affect the thinking process......lots of beer as well.

Gary Stevens says Zenyatta is the horse he has ever seen.

I don't think they should, but I figured you might take his opinion seriously.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

Ignoring the reality of her unique circumstances doesnt eliminate them as a factor in detracting from her accomplishments.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ignoring the reality of her unique circumstances doesnt eliminate them as a factor in detracting from her accomplishments.

Well stated. You'd make a solid modern day racing writer. The editors clean up stuff like the missing apostrophe between the n and t in doesn't. It's a breeze.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Well stated. You'd make a solid modern day racing writer. The editors clean up stuff like the missing apostrophe between the n and t in doesn't. It's a breeze.

If I wanted to be a modern turf writer i would write things like:

Zenyatta is the greatest horse I have ever seen and has done more for racing than Abe Lincoln did for slaves.

Or

Lasix is evil. Lasix is evil. Lasix is evil.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If I wanted to be a modern turf writer i would write things like:

Zenyatta is the greatest horse I have ever seen and has done more for racing than Abe Lincoln did for slaves.

Or

Lasix is evil. Lasix is evil. Lasix is evil.

Well, some would say that the whole slavery thing was of secondary importance as a root cause of the war.

So, yeah, historically speaking....

nevermind.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

winning 14 grade 1 races, two BC races, and losing the other at the wire makes you great...........please name another horse with similar accomplishments that you dont consider great.......I need a frame of reference from your view point, maybe you only consider like 10 horses in the history great.

Not denying her greatness, but the point of the article was to reveal the true quality of those "Grade 1" races in the company of below par California females. So we're talking about +/-4 true G1 fields, one of them in open company on the pro-ride.