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[RolloTomasi]

Barry Irwin is a snobbish dolt. I love how he "recalls" Fourstars Allstar and his improbable win in the Irish 2000 Guineas, but doesn't recall his own Star Of Cozzene going over to Europe the following year and getting dusted in Group 3 races. Can't wait to watch this horse trail behind 4 or 5 second-tier Coolmore colts at the Curragh. He ought to watch tapes of Nownownow in the same race a couple years back if he really wants to do some meaningful research.

In a related story, it seems that, in retrospect, Noble's Promise possibly could have won both the Preakness and the BC Sprint this year had his campaigned not been derailed by that silly excursion to Ascot for the St. James's Palace.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Barry Irwin is a snobbish dolt. I love how he "recalls" Fourstars Allstar and his improbable win in the Irish 2000 Guineas, but doesn't recall his own Star Of Cozzene going over to Europe the following year and getting dusted in Group 3 races. Can't wait to watch this horse trail behind 4 or 5 second-tier Coolmore colts at the Curragh. He ought to watch tapes of Nownownow in the same race a couple years back if he really wants to do some meaningful research.

In a related story, it seems that, in retrospect, Noble's Promise possibly could have won both the Preakness and the BC Sprint this year had his campaigned not been derailed by that silly excursion to Ascot for the St. James's Palace.

Sharp Post.

[blackthroatedwind]

Oh boy.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by monipenny

How exactly was that silly?

How was it silly exactly? He was unplaced. Yeah, yeah, I know, the owners got to meet the Queen and he did beat 2000 Guineas winner Makfi (whom he knocked off stride midstretch while bearing out badly).

Given his effort in the Derby, and his head-to-head record with Lookin At Lucky in 4 previous starts, he conceivably could have won the Preakness.

And he certainly is one of the most versatile three year old colts in this weak division this year.

Doesn't this just make it even more silly that he would ship out of the country to run while the "weak" horses from his crop reaped all the spoils in the summer and fall?

He also owns the horse, so he can do as he pleases.

A classic argument. Of course, it's false. The horse has like 20-odd owners. They were all over the Derby telecast, remember?

I think he's probably a leading contender for 3 yr olds attending the Dubai races in March.

Too bad he'll be 4 by the time March comes around.

Personally I would try him in the Dubai World Cup and hope for a top five placing. Those guys over there pay for your trip and Kenny will probably ruin him if he doesn't stay in training for this race. i would lay my money on this guy without benefit of even seeing who runs in the desert on that artificial crap. I guess I understand why they installed it, but leveling the playing field so they don't have to sned the money out of town is stupid in my book. I do hope that McPeek keeps this guy good and is available for the older handicap division next year. I think Blu's horse could be real nice as well.

I take back all the other stuff I said.

When compared to the stimulant-fueled fantasy above, running Noble's Promise at Ascot wasn't particularly silly.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Well, if MP ends up putting in a good showing over here, maybe a trip to a British horse racing forum will be in the offing.

He's got Mike Smith on him. He'll finish well.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Maybe you can read and maybe you can't. I said he is the leading 3 yr old NOW that would fare well over in Dubai. Tell me, could you pick out a horse like Curlin bub? Hell no! But, McPeek certainly did for a small paltry price. He has a better eye for horse flesh then anybody on this sorry board. And yes it was the right move in only being beat by 2 lengths at Ascot. Anybody in this country could not have duplicated what he did with another horse I bet ya.

How can you call it the right move? He missed months of races here where he would have been a strong contender.

The horse ran well, but it's not like running 5th is some great accomplishment. Leo O'brien took a NY Bred to Ireland and won the Irish 2000 Guineas, so there is someone in this country that has duplicated and surpassed what he did.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

How can you call it the right move? He missed months of races here where he would have been a strong contender.

The horse ran well, but it's not like running 5th is some great accomplishment. Leo O'brien took a NY Bred to Ireland and won the Irish 2000 Guineas, so there is someone in this country that has duplicated and surpassed what he did.

Sharp Post...besides Hoss, if I recall, isn't the point of racing to enter your horse into spots that the horse is able to win races in? Call me crazy but I always thought that was a goal in racing.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Sharp Post...besides Hoss, if I recall, isn't the point of racing to enter your horse into spots that the horse is able to win races in? Call me crazy but I always thought that was a goal in racing.

As Rollo pointed out, I'm sure the trip to Ascot was great for all involved. And honestly, I was shocked at how good he came back. But, makes you think what he could have done here. It's not like the 3 year old division was solid this year. He's certainly a nice horse.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Maybe you can read and maybe you can't. I said he is the leading 3 yr old NOW that would fare well over in Dubai. Tell me, could you pick out a horse like Curlin bub? Hell no! But, McPeek certainly did for a small paltry price. He has a better eye for horse flesh then anybody on this sorry board. And yes it was the right move in only being beat by 2 lengths at Ascot. Anybody in this country could not have duplicated what he did with another horse I bet ya.

Yeah, you must love those McPeek horses who fire huge only never to be heard from again or horses who look like they have potential only to never reach the level they should. There's a reason he's Kenny McPeaked.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Didn't say he was the sharpest trainer. I said he has a eye for talent. I would have had no problem with what he did if Noble Promise was my horse. The guy gift wrapped Curlin, Einstein, and oh ya Harlan's Holiday. Or did ya already forget about those horses? Just ask Helen Pitts-Blasi or S. Asmussen. Many times the horse makes the trainer and not so much the other way around.

The fact that Curlin and Einstein were as good as they were has 10000x more to do with Helen Pitts than it does McPeek. He would have been a fraction as patient with them as she was.

So David Ingordo has as much to do with Zenyatta being successful as John Shirreffs? Come on.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The fact that Curlin and Einstein were as good as they were has 10000x more to do with Helen Pitts than it does McPeek. He would have been a fraction as patient with them as she was.

So David Ingordo has as much to do with Zenyatta being successful as John Shirreffs? Come on.

true.

[Danzig]

mcpeek left training, so helen hung out her shingle as trainer when some of his owners stayed with her. at the time, mcpeek was a bloodstock advisor-so i don't see how curlin and einstein having success had much to do with him. i'm pretty sure they'd have turned out well regardless of who picked them out at a sale.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by monipenny

" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.

It sure did take a genius to see Curlin and Rachel were something special after they had hit the track. Go John!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by monipenny

" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.

i fail to see how who picked a horse out has any impact on how the horse turns out. either a horse has talent, or he doesn't. are you really suggesting a horse suddenly runs faster because of the person who picks him out at a sale? if john smith had picked out curlin, or joe shmo picked out charismatic, they'd have been slower because the right guy didn't buy them?
but then, i fail to see how your rudeness proves your point either, so i guess i'm just loony like that.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by monipenny

" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.

I would venture to say any successive post coming from your user name would enter the stupidest post of the year derby considering you think it made perfect sense for McPeaked to send Noble's Promise over to England to run in a race he had no chance to win, and didn't even hit the board in. Smart man that McPeaked. You sir, are a tard.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by monipenny

" A fool and his money are soon departed." You are just a jealous broken down gambler who hides behind a computer screen. If u even had a clue as 2 the drivel you speak of.

Oh I have a clue alright...I did fine for myself last weekend. And sure, I would love seeing my trainer send a horse accross to England where I have to pay for the trip to be unplaced. If I was a jealous, broken down gambler, pretty sure I wouldn't have a computer to post behind. Get back to me when you get a clue which might happen when Ken McPeaked actually develops a horse. But since McPeaked can't develop horses, it more than likely never happens.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Your argument lacks substance, but I will try to address it. Ok, Einstein was hand picked by McPeek and the owner choose to give the horse to Helen because she worked for McPeek and she either got fired or went out on her own. I'm not sure about the exact particulars. And Curlin also was hand picked by McPeek and she assumed training of him as well. But, 2 think McPeek had no influence on how these horses were trained then that's just foolish. I suppose you think J. Sahadi trained Elmhurst and Lit De Justice also right?

Your psuedo-insider mantra just fizzles when you shrug off how Helen Pitts went out on her own.

Keep preaching McPeek is the best, everyone's listening.

[Sightseek]

I would like to congratulate Titan Sooner - you Sir, are a Horse Whisperer!

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Curlin

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I would like to congratulate Titan Sooner - you Sir, are a Horse Whisperer!

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Curlin

good thing titan didn't try to get someone to buy him, he wouldn't have turned out so well.