Why retire her?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, the HOYs the last three years didn't go near the TC. And yesterday's 3-4-5 finishers were in the barn in May and June too.

Oh come on. The run-up to the TC and the TC itself ruins horses. You know it. God knows how many horses like Blame and Zenyatta we have been deprived of becasue they were rushed to get graded earning for the Derby and were never the same. What's the winning percentage of Derby winners in their post-Derby races? It's gotta be lower than low.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

Oh come on. The run-up to the TC and the TC itself ruins horses. You know it. God knows how many horses like Blame and Zenyatta we have been deprived of becasue they were rushed to get graded earning for the Derby and were never the same. What's the winning percentage of Derby winners in their post-Derby races? It's gotta be lower than low.

This is complete, unfounded nonsense. Do you ever post something that isn't pulled out of your ass?

[Danzig]

i'd love to see her try dubai.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is complete, unfounded nonsense. Do you ever post something that isn't pulled out of your ass?

The Triple Crown should be called the Bermuda Triangle. Not every plane or boat that enters disappears, but there's something going on.

Hey, I love it. Love the Derby. Love it all.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by justindew

The Triple Crown should be called the Bermuda Triangle. Not every plane or boat that enters disappears, but there's something going on.

Hey, I love it. Love the Derby. Love it all.

How about there might be other factors besides the rigors of the preps and racing those races in 5 weeks?

Chuck brought up a great point in another thread. How many potentially great horses are in the Todd Pletcher barn? He didn't single out Pletcher, but the point is that too many horses are being handled by the same few guys. How many of those horses might have been better off if managed by different guys with different skill sets, programs, etc?

This really has nothing to do with the topic though so sorry for going off course.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

The Triple Crown should be called the Bermuda Triangle. Not every plane or boat that enters disappears, but there's something going on.

Hey, I love it. Love the Derby. Love it all.

No, it shouldn't. I gave you empirical evidence from yesterday and the last three years that shows you're wrong. You have a bunch of anecdotal crap you heard from somebody. It's staggering how little you know about racing.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, it shouldn't. I gave you empirical evidence from yesterday and the last three years that shows you're wrong. You have a bunch of anecdotal crap you heard from somebody. It's staggering how little you know about racing.

So, becasue Curlin did great things after the TC, and becasue Fly Down, Paddy O'Prado and LAL finished ahead of Etched, and because Rachel Alexandra (who was NOT pointed for the TC but DID manage to beat Mine That Bird in the Preakness) beat older males once and won HOY, somehow you feel there is no truth to the argument that the rush to make the Derby and the Derby itself take a disproportionately hard toll on many horses who in turn have their careers shortened?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by justindew

So, becasue Curlin did great things after the TC, and becasue Fly Down, Paddy O'Prado and LAL finished ahead of Etched, and because Rachel Alexandra (who was NOT pointed for the TC but DID manage to beat Mine That Bird in the Preakness) beat older males once and won HOY, somehow you feel there is no truth to the argument that the rush to make the Derby and the Derby itself take a disproportionately hard toll on many horses who in turn have their careers shortened?

You're the one who made the assertion. I disagreed and gave you a counter argument. You still don't have an original argument. Until you come up with one, you're talking out of your ass as usual.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're the one who made the assertion. I disagreed and gave you a counter argument. You still don't have an original argument. Until you come up with one, you're talking out of your ass as usual.

Who gives a sh*t if my argument is original?

This is undoubtedly upset you becasue I don't have the facts to back up this claim, but I would wager that the Kentucky Derby is the final race of more horses' careers than any other single race. And comsidering some of the horses who run in it haven't even had their 3rd birthday, it should not be.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by justindew

So, becasue Curlin did great things after the TC, and becasue Fly Down, Paddy O'Prado and LAL finished ahead of Etched, and because Rachel Alexandra (who was NOT pointed for the TC but DID manage to beat Mine That Bird in the Preakness) beat older males once and won HOY, somehow you feel there is no truth to the argument that the rush to make the Derby and the Derby itself take a disproportionately hard toll on many horses who in turn have their careers shortened?

some, like super saver, had their careers shortened due to breeding purposes. others fall off the trail because they showed they didn't belong. some are due to injury, illness, etc. the thing is, those things may have happened even without pointing to the classics. horses don't run harder because they know more money is on the line. those same injuries, illnesses, and being passed by your peers talentwise would happen regardless if a horse is in stakes, allowance, or claiming company. some are in over their heads and have to drop in class. others just tail off. soundness comes into play. but making a blanket statement that it's all due to the trail to the classics is lacking in accuracy.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Danzig

some, like super saver, had their careers shortened due to breeding purposes. others fall off the trail because they showed they didn't belong. some are due to injury, illness, etc. the thing is, those things may have happened even without pointing to the classics. horses don't run harder because they know more money is on the line. those same injuries, illnesses, and being passed by your peers talentwise would happen regardless if a horse is in stakes, allowance, or claiming company. some are in over their heads and have to drop in class. others just tail off. soundness comes into play. but making a blanket statement that it's all due to the trail to the classics is lacking in accuracy.

Agreed. Good thing that's not what I said.