10/9 (BEL): Champagne S., Frizette S., Jamaica H. (G1's)

[Dahoss]

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Boys at Toscanova will be too short of a price to play on BC day, but he'll be a deserving favorite and probably the most likely winner.
He didn't break a sweat in the Hopeful, and debuted in a G3 at Churchill and ran well. He may not be a Derby horse, but the BC Juvy distance is well within his range.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

Rich Eng today got me to look back at Jaycito's race in the Norfolk. He did exactly what his believers said he would on the stretchout, and should only move forward on the authentic main track... But as an aside, here's an interesting poll of the Juvenile winners at Churchill and the closest last start West Coast finisher..

1988: Is It True (BEL) -- Music Merci (SA) 4th, by 12L
1991: Arazi (FRA-Longchamp) -- Bertrando (SA) 2nd, by 5L
1994: Timber Country (BEL) -- Supremo (SA), 5th, by 9L
1998: Answer Lively (KEE) -- Daring General (SA) 4th, by 6L
2000: Macho Uno (WO) -- Street Cry (SA) 3rd, by 1.5L
2006: Street Sense (KEE) -- Stormello (SA) 5th, by 15L

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm basically praying for there to be a horse that I can be even moderately interested in for the Juvenile. I don't want any part of Uncle Mo (even if he wins by 10 on Saturday) or Boys at Tosconova.

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

I hate you.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree with B@T, but UM might be a total freak show.
He is an early #1 on Joey S Derby 2011 Top 10. B@T is currently not ranked.

So you have an Indian Charlie, with one maiden win at 6F, ranked #1 on your 2011 Derby Top 10?

Makes sense.

[Indian Charlie]

What's that supposed to mean?

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

What's that supposed to mean?

..nothing against you or your namesake.
It's just a little premature to annoint a horse who very well may be better suited to be a sprinter/miler as a legitimate Kentucky Derby candidate off one 6F maiden win.

When was the last time a Derby winner won their debut by open lengths sprinting as a 2-year old?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

..nothing against you or your namesake.
It's just a little premature to annoint a horse who very well may be better suited to be a sprinter/miler as a legitimate Kentucky Derby candidate off one 6F maiden win.

When was the last time a Derby winner won their debut by open lengths sprinting as a 2-year old?

Oh, ok. For a second there, I thought I'd have to be mean to you.

The answer to your question is 2010!

J/K. Horses like this never last long, and with PG1985 getting the mount on him, he's toast.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

Because he's a Bernadini, in Pletcher's barn and has a cute name, yes..he's got a load of followers who think he's the second coming.
I'm skeptical, but maybe he'll turn out to be something special.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Some people like him, that's all and for good reason. I'm not quite sure what he's done wrong. However, where is this hype you're referring to? Uncle Mo is getting hype. Boys is getting hype. Stay Thirsty? He's not.

Stay Thirsty has gotten plenty of hype on this board. You can't deny that. Something tells me if he had no connection to AP Indy you wouldn't be as high on him though.

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

+1

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Stay Thirsty has gotten plenty of hype on this board. You can't deny that. Something tells me if he had no connection to AP Indy you wouldn't be as high on him though.

Whatever, he'll be up the track in the Juvy with no prep IMO.

First of all, I don't think he's gotten any hype on this board. Second, I don't care what you think about why I like the horse..... way to basically say that an opinion other than yours is invalid, as if the horse is crap and there's no reason for anyone to like him.

Thirdly, as much as like him and as much as I hate to agree with you, I agree with you on the last point.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Betsy

First of all, I don't think he's gotten any hype on this board. Second, I don't care what you think about why I like the horse..... way to basically say that an opinion other than yours is invalid, as if the horse is crap and there's no reason for anyone to like him.

I didn't say that at all. To deny he hasn't been hyped is silly. There are numerous threads about him. Everyone knows about your love of all things AP Indy.

Who said he was crap and there is no reason to like him? I don't like his chances in the Juvenile with no prep and I was less than enthused with his effort in the Hopeful.

Way to basically have a tantrum over nothing.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I didn't say that at all. To deny he hasn't been hyped is silly. There are numerous threads about him. Everyone knows about your love of all things AP Indy.

Who said he was crap and there is no reason to like him? I don't like his chances in the Juvenile with no prep and I was less than enthused with his effort in the Hopeful.

Way to basically have a tantrum over nothing.

There are numerous threads about him? I don't see it.

Look, we can agree to disagree on his talent - that's fine. As I said, I think it's a bonehead decision on Pletcher's part to train him up to the Juvenile, so although I love the horse, I'm not exactly expecting much in the BC

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Right into the Juvenile off of the Hopeful? No thanks. I don't like it with Boys in Tosconaova and I don't get it with this horse, who hasn't shown nearly the ability that he has hype.

We'll also have Madman Diaries going in off that kind of spacing.