Rachel Alexandra - what would her odds be in the BC Distaff?

NoLuvForPletch · #1 10-04-2010, 04:01 PM

I agree, more than likely a public workout for more than $1M. But I guess when your JJ, is it worth a million dollars to risk something bad happening to what you hope will be producing champion after champion for you? She doesn't have anything to gain by running. My guess is JJ keeps all of her babies, so the BC Distaff champion moniker means nothing.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 10-04-2010, 04:06 PM

What's to risk? - the odds of racing fatality are pretty remote if he's sound and well.

I have to think the odds of a Jess Jackson fatality before the first RA foal sired by Curlin hits the track are a lot greater.

NoLuvForPletch · #3 10-04-2010, 04:10 PM

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What's to risk? - the odds of racing fatality are pretty remote if he's sound and well.

I have to think the odds of a Jess Jackson fatality before the first RA foal sired by Curlin hits the track are a lot greater.

Ok Drugs. I laughed. Not bad indeed.

Thunder Gulch · #4 10-04-2010, 05:04 PM

Betting odds- probably 6-5.

Fair value odds- 3-1

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 10-04-2010, 06:06 PM

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Betting odds- probably 6-5.

Fair value odds- 3-1

How would she be 3/1 fair value?

Who would be your fair value favorite? Life At Ten? Blind Luck? Havre De Grace?

More importantly - if they came out before the race and said they were sending with RA - who would be willing to go with her on the lead? Life At Ten already tried that once ... and it resulted in a 79 Beyer for her in her only defeat of the entire year. No one would be stupid enough to hook her. She hasn't been allowed an uncontested easy lead since April of '09. She'd jog.

2Hot4TV · #6 10-04-2010, 07:13 PM

RA is beat again and we would hear how another improving filly ran a life time top that was to high to chart and beat the Horse of the year. Thats with her racing on her prefered surface, Dirt.

Another lose to add to her money burnin march to the Breeders Cup Classic.

She was great as a 3yo, but even Hal Wiggen's said she was gutted in the Woodward, yet you saw something else. Go figure?

hockey2315 · #7 10-04-2010, 07:54 PM

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RA is beat again and we would hear how another improving filly ran a life time top that was to high to chart and beat the Horse of the year. Thats with her racing on her prefered surface, Dirt.

Another lose to add to her money burnin march to the Breeders Cup Classic.

She was great as a 3yo, but even Hal Wiggen's said she was gutted in the Woodward, yet you saw something else. Go figure?

What language is this?

Cannon Shell · #8 10-04-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

I agree, more than likely a public workout for more than $1M. But I guess when your JJ, is it worth a million dollars to risk something bad happening to what you hope will be producing champion after champion for you? She doesn't have anything to gain by running. My guess is JJ keeps all of her babies, so the BC Distaff champion moniker means nothing.

No offense but this warped view of the sport is absolutely ruining the game at the highest level.

letswastemoney · #9 10-04-2010, 11:45 PM

How old is Jess Jackson?

Why the heck would he retire Rachel if he's just going to spend his last days looking for the exact same quality? Even a 90% Rachel is VERY difficult to find and you could spend a lifetime without finding a horse this talented.

Good luck with that JJ. What you want is already yours, and apparently you have decided to retire her.

Cannon Shell · #10 10-05-2010, 12:02 AM

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How old is Jess Jackson?

Why the heck would he retire Rachel if he's just going to spend his last days looking for the exact same quality? Even a 90% Rachel is VERY difficult to find and you could spend a lifetime without finding a horse this talented.

Good luck with that JJ. What you want is already yours, and apparently you have decided to retire her.

The reasoning behind retiring the horse seems pretty simple. Jess Jackson knew that he and his filly were going to be overshadowed if she were to run in the Distaff and that she had no shot in the Classic. How much would it kill him if Zenyatta were to win the Classic and dominate the headlines regardless of what RA did??? So he decided to take his ball and go home.

herkhorse · #11 10-05-2010, 06:11 AM

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The reasoning behind retiring the horse seems pretty simple. Jess Jackson knew that he and his filly were going to be overshadowed if she were to run in the Distaff and that she had no shot in the Classic. How much would it kill him if Zenyatta were to win the Classic and dominate the headlines regardless of what RA did??? So he decided to take his ball and go home.

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

johnny pinwheel · #12 10-05-2010, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The reasoning behind retiring the horse seems pretty simple. Jess Jackson knew that he and his filly were going to be overshadowed if she were to run in the Distaff and that she had no shot in the Classic. How much would it kill him if Zenyatta were to win the Classic and dominate the headlines regardless of what RA did??? So he decided to take his ball and go home.

someone said this was a winner...but, i don't know. the woodward and the schedule as a 3 yo was a killer for her. i thought she would retire last year. after she lost and they did not run her in the appleblossom ...i thought she would not race again....but, she did and lost a couple more times to horses that could not touch her the year before. so face it, those saying she was 90% are not even close. she is probably like 80% the horse she was. jackson probably came to his senses (unlike the emotional fan base) and said this horse has had enough. i saw the race up here and we felt bad for her after...she ran her guts out. bullet work outs are meaningless if the horse does not have it in the afternoon. i really believe that jackson did the right thing for this horse....even though he was actually late doing it. he was riding the same emotions that all the people that are mad about it are still riding. it was pretty much over after last season.

Dahoss · #13 10-05-2010, 10:27 AM

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someone said this was a winner...but, i don't know. the woodward and the schedule as a 3 yo was a killer for her. i thought she would retire last year. after she lost and they did not run her in the appleblossom ...i thought she would not race again....but, she did and lost a couple more times to horses that could not touch her the year before. so face it, those saying she was 90% are not even close. she is probably like 80% the horse she was. jackson probably came to his senses (unlike the emotional fan base) and said this horse has had enough. i saw the race up here and we felt bad for her after...she ran her guts out. bullet work outs are meaningless if the horse does not have it in the afternoon. i really believe that jackson did the right thing for this horse....even though he was actually late doing it. he was riding the same emotions that all the people that are mad about it are still riding. it was pretty much over after last season.

Let me get this straight....the horse Rachel ran into the ground at Saratoga, just came back to cruise in the Beldame. But Rachel was like 80% of what she was last year? She has had enough? But her fans are the emotional ones?

I'll agree she wasn't as good this year as last. But she was still pretty good this year and her last race might have been her best on the year. If she was up the track I could understand this point of view, but at no point was she not competitive.

It's not about riding any kind of emotions and I'm almost positive Cannon isn't an emotional RA fan. It would appear you are letting your emotions about Zenyatta cloud your judgement. Or you just don't know what you are talking about.

johnny pinwheel · #14 10-05-2010, 11:03 AM

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Let me get this straight....the horse Rachel ran into the ground at Saratoga, just came back to cruise in the Beldame. But Rachel was like 80% of what she was last year? She has had enough? But her fans are the emotional ones?

I'll agree she wasn't as good this year as last. But she was still pretty good this year and her last race might have been her best on the year. If she was up the track I could understand this point of view, but at no point was she not competitive.

It's not about riding any kind of emotions and I'm almost positive Cannon isn't an emotional RA fan. It would appear you are letting your emotions about Zenyatta cloud your judgement. Or you just don't know what you are talking about.

i did not even mention zenyatta. she does not even run at saratoga. so, you probably think i don't know what i'm talking about. even though my "job" is pretty much betting. but heres what i see. the horse is giving all she can and LOSING. cruising in the beldame was not a given...the horse that won (life at ten) was in there. another horse that beat rachel was in there. in all reality she could of very well lost again and i think her camp was not willing to allow that. like i said she looked awful running her guts out at saratoga...no, she was not up the track. but she lost to an inferior horse and rachel was walking at the end...i love that horse. for your information, i rented a car in virginia and drove 3 hours to see her win the preakness. why does zenyattta come up every time someone talks about rachel? those are the ones that don't know what they are talking about. by the way i thought rachel deserved horse of the year too.....

robfla · #15 10-05-2010, 10:33 AM

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How old is Jess Jackson?

born February 18, 1930 - AGE 80

NoLuvForPletch · #16 10-05-2010, 08:04 AM

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No offense but this warped view of the sport is absolutely ruining the game at the highest level.

I never said I wouldn't run her. Nor do I say I agree with the decision not to run her.

But honestly, it does seem as though she has more to lose than to gain running in the Distaff.

Thunder Gulch · #17 10-05-2010, 09:30 AM

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I never said I wouldn't run her. Nor do I say I agree with the decision not to run her.

But honestly, it does seem as though she has more to lose than to gain running in the Distaff.

I completely disagree. I think she has nothing to lose. I think pretty much everyone concedes she never reached last year's level, so losing again would be further confirmation. If she popped and won, however, it would be quite an achievement.

The decision is being overshadowed by Zenyatta, whom Jess let get in his head a long time ago with this ridiculous schedule. IMO, RA would still have a much better chance at the Distaff than Z has at the Classic.

NoLuvForPletch · #18 10-05-2010, 10:00 AM

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I completely disagree. I think she has nothing to lose. I think pretty much everyone concedes she never reached last year's level, so losing again would be further confirmation. If she popped and won, however, it would be quite an achievement.

The decision is being overshadowed by Zenyatta, whom Jess let get in his head a long time ago with this ridiculous schedule. IMO, RA would still have a much better chance at the Distaff than Z has at the Classic.

If she wins the Distaff, what race do you harken back to as the fondest memory of her career? The Kentucky Oaks, The Preakness, The Haskell, The Woodward or the Distaff?

My thoughts are they rank:

Woodward
Kentucky Oaks
Preakness
Distaff
Haskell

No matter what she does in the race, her legend has peaked. I don't think she would, but should she get beat, again, it takes just that much more luster off of what she has already accomplished. It's just my opinion, and I am a fan. She gave us a lot of thrills last year, and anyone that was at the Woodward knows they got down to the very bottom that day. I would have bet a lot of money that they would have retired her as HOY.

Thunder Gulch · #19 10-05-2010, 10:07 AM

I don't think a loss takes anything away. She was the best 3yo filly I ever saw, so why does losing again change that?

As much as I want to say beating the boys in the Haskell and Woodward were her best, the overwhelming sight of her drawing off by 20 in the Oaks in front of 100,000 people will be the one I never forget. To win that race- at that place- in that manner...

NoLuvForPletch · #20 10-05-2010, 10:11 AM

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I don't think a loss takes anything away. She was the best 3yo filly I ever saw, so why does losing again change that?

As much as I want to say beating the boys in the Haskell and Woodward were her best, the overwhelming sight of her drawing off by 20 in the Oaks in front of 100,000 people will be the one I never forget. To win that race- at that place- in that manner...

IMO, it's very close. I guess because I was there for the Woodward, standing just past the finish line at ground level, it is a moment I will never forget.