Weekend Stakes Beyers

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

She is 19 for 19 and there is nothing about that to indicate TOTAL NONSENSE. Last year heading into the BC, I was supportive of RA for horse of the year, no doubt. Coming out of the BC Classic, I wasn't so clear on the subject, though after watching RA lay her guts on the line at Saratoga, in person, and really never seeing anything like that live (with the crowd and all) I was still an RA supporter.

This year, after being "retired", Zenatta's accomplishements, though to this point against competition that is not as talented as what RA faced last year, is remarkable in its own right. Who has accomplised more than she has in her lifetime? In the fashion that she does it? Against the level of compettiton that she does it against? Over and over and over? She has won me over, and besides all of the non-sense on TVG and the other folks that are overcompensating for their belief that Z was shafted last year, why is there so much hate for what is going on with her? Is there some other horse that would otherwise be considered an "all-time great" if Z wasn't in the picture?

Off the top of my head I can really only think of:


Affirmed
Secretariat
Citation
Kelso
Count Fleet
Dr. Fager
Phar Lap
John Henry
Native Dancer
Forego
Seattle Slew
Spectacular Bid
Tom Fool
Man O' War
War Admiral
Buckpasser
Colin
Damascus
Cigar
Bold Ruler
Swaps
Nashua
Seabiscuit
Whirlaway
Alydar
Ruffian
Alysheba
Northern Dancer
Sword Dancer
Riva Ridge
Slew o'Gold
Native Diver
Silver Charm
Holy Bull
Sunday Silence
Easy Goer
Skip Away


But I'm sure there are probably several dozen more that I'm not thinking about.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Off the top of my head I can really only think of:


Affirmed
Secretariat
Citation
Kelso
Count Fleet
Dr. Fager
Native Dancer
Forego
Seattle Slew
Spectacular Bid
Tom Fool
Man O' War
War Admiral
Buckpasser
Colin
Damascus
Cigar
Bold Ruler
Swaps
Phar Lap
John Henry
Nashua
Seabiscuit
Whirlaway
Alydar
Ruffian
Alysheba
Northern Dancer
Sword Dancer
Riva Ridge
Slew o'Gold
Native Diver
Silver Charm
Holy Bull
Sunday Silence
Easy Goer
Skip Away


But I'm sure there are probably several dozen more that I'm not thinking about.

She's never lost a race and won 17 graded stakes races in a row. I can't recall if any of the one's you mention did that or not, can you? It doesn't make her better than them, but "one of the" shouldn't be discounted.

From what I can tell none of those have run this century. How is Zenatta overshadowing them?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

From what I can tell none of those have run this century. How is Zenatta overshadowing them?

You know her name is Zenyatta, right?

[NoLuvForPletch]

I'd say typo but i did it twice. But yes I know her name is Zenyatta.

Thanks

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

She's never lost a race and won 17 graded stakes races in a row. I can't recall if any of the one's you mention did that or not, can you? It doesn't make her better than them, but "one of the" shouldn't be discounted.

Let's take a look at just one horse off the list....I'll pick....Affirmed.
Did he win 17 in a row? Nope.
Winning 17 in a row isn't particularly easy when you race against Alydar, Exceller, Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, Coastal, Sensitive Prince, etc. time after time....over the course of a career.
So if you ask me who accomplished more between Affirmed and Zenyatta, to me, it isn't even close....despite her impressive streak.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Let's take one horse off the list....Affirmed.
Did he win 17 in a row? Nope.
Winning 17 in a row isn't particularly easy when you race against Alydar, Exceller, Seattle Slew, Spectacular Bid, Coastal, Sensitive Prince, etc. time after time....over the course of a career.
So if you ask me who accomplished more between Affirmed and Zenyatta, to me, it isn't even close....despite her impressive streak.

That's cool. I like Affirmed and a whole lot of others on the list of "all time greats" on the list you supplied. I'm just saying there is no need to omit her from the list because you don't think she is the best of all time. I don't think she is the best of all time either. See we can agree on something.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

That's cool. I like Affirmed and a whole lot of others on the list of "all time greats" on the list you supplied. I'm just saying there is no need to omit her from the list because you don't think she is the best of all time. I don't think she is the best of all time either. See we can agree on something.

Unfortunately for everyone....a great deal of where she "deserves" to be ranked on a list of say, the top-50 thoroughbreds of all time, has been left up to one race because of her foolish connections. If she wins the BCC in style it would be difficult to justify completely keeping her off such a list no matter how much some (including me) might want to do it.
If she runs poorly and finishes off the board, however, it should be pretty easy for everyone to keep her off such a list, although I'm certain many still won't.