BEYER: Defining Zenyatta's historical role

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

This is getting beyond the point of ridiculous with the Zenyattatards. It really is. The big issue is that while her zealots continue to call her the best ever without taking into account the circumstances under which she picked up her wins with. Except for two very weak editions of the Apple Blossom where obviously, she wasn't forced to run an exceptional race, she has run every race of her career on synthetic tracks, types of synthetics not withstanding because the synthetic track make-up has always seemd to cater towards the running style of Zenyatta which is to make that sweeping wide last move into the stretch, always more often successful on the synthetic tracks or turf than dirt.

Let's be honest here, she has never had to run on a track which really could prove her greatness or run against a field which was brought together that would prove how great she is. She has never had to deal with slow fractions on dirt that would put her up against it coming from off the pace. As an add on to this, she's never had to deal with a negative track bias as her running style picks up a positive bias out in So Cal on those synthetic tracks. Just look at Sinister Minister the one year in Keeneland in the Blue Grass. Was he a legitimate top class, G1 horse? Not a chance in hell and at any other track he's probably up the track in the Blue Grass. But on that one day he used his speed to ride the ridiculous bias to a dominating G1 victory because no one was going to catch that horse on that track on that day. We've never had a day where she's run where she's been up against a speed bias on a dirt track where front runners aren't coming back to the field, or where she's had to run down a top class horse on the dirt. Simply put she's never faced any adversity. It's equivalent to being a Major League caliber ballplayer who dominates AAA his whole career, gets called up to the Majors a few times, always hits well in his cups of coffee and yet continues to get sent down each year for higher regarded prospects.

Ya she blows

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ya she blows

Yeah that's exactly what I said...reading comprehension might help.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Yeah that's exactly what I said...reading comprehension might help.

Oh I can comprehend it...I just can't believe an intelligent person drafted it

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Oh I can comprehend it...I just can't believe an intelligent person drafted it

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with one.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with one.

Well I always admire your work

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Well I always admire your work

Whoever said I was intelligent!?

I almost never post anything longer than too sentences!

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Whoever said I was intelligent!?

I almost never post anything longer than too sentences!

Some people could learn from your style

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Oh I can comprehend it...I just can't believe an intelligent person drafted it

What exactly there genius is inaccurate about what I said? Her biggest adversity she's ever faced is having Mike Smith on her back, and with each "scintillating" win, Moss and Sherriffs have had the opportunity to run her in bigger and better races and each time they have kept her at the lower levels of racing rather than stepping out of the box and challenging her and gulp, facing some males...

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ya she blows

When will Zenyatta's legions of fans realize and accept that her supposed "detractors" also think she is a really good horse. Nobody is saying she "blows." I think EVERYBODY is impressed with her consistency and her ability to retain form year after year. She also deserves (and gets) credit for winning races on three different types of synthetic surfaces and dirt. A lot of good horses can't do that, and she can.

Okay fine. She's a really good horse. Nobody really disputes that.

It is only when people start saying she is one of the best ever that her supposed "detractors" rightfully begin to raise points against her.
There is a big range between "blows" and "one of the best ever." In my opinion, she fits somewhere in that range.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by miraja2

When will Zenyatta's legions of fans realize and accept that her supposed "detractors" also think she is a really good horse. Nobody is saying she "blows." I think EVERYBODY is impressed with her consistency and her ability to retain form year after year. She also deserves (and gets) credit for winning races on three different types of synthetic surfaces and dirt. A lot of good horses can't do that, and she can.

Okay fine. She's a really good horse. Nobody really disputes that.

It is only when people start saying she is one of the best ever that her supposed "detractors" rightfully begin to raise points against her.
There is a big range between "blows" and "one of the best ever." In my opinion, she fits somewhere in that range.

Hey I agree with you she is a very good horse. I never said she was the greatest ever. His post basically said she is comparable to a AAA baseball player. She is much better than that.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Hey I agree with you she is a very good horse. I never said she was the greatest ever. His post basically said she is comparable to a AAA baseball player. She is much better than that.

I never said that she is a AAA baseball player..I compared her to the plight of a guy who is always better than a AAA player but who never gets an extended shot in the majors to show how good he is or can be. She's proven time and time again obviously she's deserving of taking on bigger and better things but she never gets a chance because of her cowardly connections.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

I never said that she is a AAA baseball player..I compared her to the plight of a guy who is always better than a AAA player but who never gets an extended shot in the majors to show how good he is or can be. She's proven time and time again obviously she's deserving of taking on bigger and better things but she never gets a chance because of her cowardly connections.

Well lets drop it. Good luck on any bets you make today! Can't wait to see if Twirling Candy is the real deal

[Dahoss]

She's also a fantastic dancer. I can't wait to see her strut her stuff in the paddock. Hopefully I can hold back the tears this time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

She's also a fantastic dancer. I can't wait to see her strut her stuff in the paddock. Hopefully I can hold back the tears this time.

i hope she bows today, that would be so awesome.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

She's also a fantastic dancer. I can't wait to see her strut her stuff in the paddock. Hopefully I can hold back the tears this time.

Calling her just a "fantastic" dancer seems to leave open the possibility that you think some other horse might actually be a better dancer.

That's ridiculous. Please desist in this obvious smear campaign against her.

She is obviously the greatest four-legged dancer in the history of earth, and any suggestion otherwise is a disgrace to the sport.