BEYER: Defining Zenyatta's historical role

goingtothewhip · #1 10-01-2010, 01:08 PM

Feel the rage. LoL.

People that are wagering on the tracks in question probably care what type of synthetic surfaces they are dealing with. Thus my comment on using the generic term synthetic being misleading.

Sorry the fans and lack of a rigorous campaign has left a nasty taste on your palate, but the fact is neither have any bearing on how good she is. To let those factors sully your opinion of a horse seems kind of silly.

NTamm1215 · #2 10-01-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

Sorry the fans and lack of a rigorous campaign has left a nasty taste on your palate, but the fact is neither have any bearing on how good she is. To let those factors sully your opinion of a horse seems kind of silly.

How can we really have a gauge of how good she is historically, which is hardly an exercise I want to undertake, when she's had such a carefully planned, cookie-cutter campaign? Greatness needs to be defined by taking on the best, the most significant tests and proving yourself in those scenarios. A final campaign with 5 exhibitions and the Breeders' Cup Classic was hardly what I was looking for from her this year.

GPK · #3 10-01-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How can we really have a gauge of how good she is historically, which is hardly an exercise I want to undertake, when she's had such a carefully planned, cookie-cutter campaign? Greatness needs to be defined by taking on the best, the most significant tests and proving yourself in those scenarios. A final campaign with 5 exhibitions and the Breeders' Cup Classic was hardly what anyone with half a brain and a true love of the sport was looking for from her this year.

FTFY Nick

goingtothewhip · #4 10-01-2010, 01:25 PM

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How can we really have a gauge of how good she is historically, which is hardly an exercise I want to undertake, when she's had such a carefully planned, cookie-cutter campaign? Greatness needs to be defined by taking on the best, the most significant tests and proving yourself in those scenarios. A final campaign with 5 exhibitions and the Breeders' Cup Classic was hardly what I was looking for from her this year.

i can't really argue with any of that (pre fix).

I can understand questioning her place in history, but it seems the vast majority of opinions are now polarized. She is the best ever or a mere curiosity. I'm going to hold off till she is done before writing what i think in my diary.

Indian Charlie · #5 10-01-2010, 02:19 PM

I'm going to make up a bunch of bumper stickers reading "WWZD" and sell them at her last two starts.

How many will I need to make to assure I don't sell out?

Scav · #6 10-01-2010, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'm going to make up a bunch of bumper stickers reading "WWZD" and sell them at her last two starts.

How many will I need to make to assure I don't sell out?

That is actually an unbelievable idea, you could get $5 for those, and make a killing. I would say you would need 2500.

Smooth Operator · #7 10-01-2010, 02:37 PM

Like I said before, just do some simple math:

17 (wins) + 1 (BCD win) + 1 (BCC win) + 1 (BCC dirt win) + 0 (losses) = LIVING LEGEND

Indian Charlie · #8 10-01-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Like I said before, just do some simple math:

1000+ Zenyatta is great posts + 1 Zenyatta might lose in the BCC post + 1 non Zenyatta post + 2 really pathetic attempts at making up insulting nicknames = I AM A TARD

There you go again with the typos.

PeteMugg · #9 10-01-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

How can we really have a gauge of how good she is historically, which is hardly an exercise I want to undertake, when she's had such a carefully planned, cookie-cutter campaign? Greatness needs to be defined by taking on the best, the most significant tests and proving yourself in those scenarios. A final campaign with 5 exhibitions and the Breeders' Cup Classic was hardly what I was looking for from her this year.

Perhaps next year?

hockey2315 · #10 10-01-2010, 02:06 PM

Interesting use of the word "fast" in the title. . . I wonder if that was Andy's doing or an editor's.

Kasept · #11 10-01-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

Feel the rage. LoL.

People that are wagering on the tracks in question probably care what type of synthetic surfaces they are dealing with. Thus my comment on using the generic term synthetic being misleading.

Sorry the fans and lack of a rigorous campaign has left a nasty taste on your palate, but the fact is neither have any bearing on how good she is. To let those factors sully your opinion of a horse seems kind of silly.

Congratulations on illustrating the point I was making perfectly with one more example of why no attempt to have a discussion of racing history or offer perspective on it is worthwhile when this particular topic is broached. It's a complete waste of energy on a group that has no interest in even attempting to understand the nuances of any element of the game, breed, races, racing surfaces, competition levels, or any other historic element that goes into comparisons of this nature.

goingtothewhip · #12 10-01-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Congratulations on illustrating the point I was making perfectly with one more example of why no attempt to have a discussion of racing history or offer perspective on it is worthwhile when this particular topic is broached. It's a complete waste of energy on a group that has no interest in even attempting to understand the nuances of any element of the game, breed, races, racing surfaces, competition levels, or any other historic element that goes into comparisons of this nature.

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Please don't waste any more of your energy. I'm not as impressed w/ your perspective as you seem to be.

Kasept · #13 10-01-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

Please don't waste any more of your energy. I'm not as impressed w/ your perspective as you seem to be.

Don't worry, I won't. It's obvious you're completely incapable of a discussion on any portion of the topic.

Rudeboyelvis · #14 10-01-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

Feel the rage. LoL.

People that are wagering on the tracks in question probably care what type of synthetic surfaces they are dealing with. Thus my comment on using the generic term synthetic being misleading.

Sorry my pointless canard has left a nasty taste on your palate, but the fact is neither have any bearing on how good she is. To let those factors sully your opinion of a horse seems kind of silly.

FTFY

Steve hates pointless canards, by the way...