Don't burn the Quran, but beheadings are OK...

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So, for being the "civilized ones" we get to be constantly on defense only, which will be read as weakness, and allow the uncivilized ones to perpetually attack. This in spite of our superior armament and technology. Then maybe, someday, we'll get another 9/11 or much worse.

Just like if I go up and punch Mike Tyson, I shouldn't expect to be killed by blunt force trauma -- namely the fists of the ex-champ, right?

whats your point...are you a christian? yeah, we have to defend ourselves, but what in the hell does that have to do with burning books and pissing people off? people that had nothing to do with 9/11. what about the muslim guy fighting for us overseas? hes willing to take a bullet or worse yet....get his own head loped off.....how does he feel seeing these morons do things like this? PEOPLE FROM THIS WHACKO CHURCH MIGHT BE FIGHTING NEXT TO HIM! this is why i hate church. people like this could go all their life and never get it. if you believe in christ...he let people nail him to a cross! YOU DON'T THINK GOD COULD OF WIPED US OUT WITH A BLINK OF THE EYE? AND A YOU ARE AFRAID OF MIKE TYSON. people ignore the parts that are hard to live by...thats why church sucks. if you truly believe in God there are worse things than dying....like what happens after...thats why you should live right first whether it gets you killed or not....just like christ did. do you really think a man that came from God had to let himself be nailed to a cross by us? i know most of what i said goes right over most of your heads.....lol

[clyde]

Does anyone harken back to that old thought?

You know, the one saying more people have been killed over religious views than in border disputes?




It seems to be playing out here---no?

[clyde]

just like christ did. i know most of what i said goes right over most of your heads.....lol


Settle down, you nut case...lol!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

FIBA WORLD BASKETBALL FINAL (played in Istanbul):

USA 83

Turkey 64

[SCUDSBROTHER]

FIBA WORLD BASKETBALL FINAL (played in Istanbul)

USA 83


Turkey 64

They are waiting for their hardware. Fkn beautiful effort !

9/12 is ours!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Dance, Damn it. Dance in front of them Turks (with ya gold victory booty.) Smile in their faces. Dance your way out of that building. Where's ya Allah ??

[Cannon Shell]

I just burned a Hedu Turkolu basketball card in honor of the victory.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

whats your point...are you a christian? yeah, we have to defend ourselves, but what in the hell does that have to do with burning books and pissing people off? people that had nothing to do with 9/11. what about the muslim guy fighting for us overseas? hes willing to take a bullet or worse yet....get his own head loped off.....how does he feel seeing these morons do things like this? PEOPLE FROM THIS WHACKO CHURCH MIGHT BE FIGHTING NEXT TO HIM! this is why i hate church. people like this could go all their life and never get it. if you believe in christ...he let people nail him to a cross! YOU DON'T THINK GOD COULD OF WIPED US OUT WITH A BLINK OF THE EYE? AND A YOU ARE AFRAID OF MIKE TYSON. people ignore the parts that are hard to live by...thats why church sucks. if you truly believe in God there are worse things than dying....like what happens after...thats why you should live right first whether it gets you killed or not....just like christ did. do you really think a man that came from God had to let himself be nailed to a cross by us? i know most of what i said goes right over most of your heads.....lol

I think you're missing my point -- the Mike Tyson remark was a way to illustrate that they don't seem to factor in the consequences of what they do. If they burn enough American flags or Bibles or effigy's, it's natural that somebody, someday in America will get the idea to burn something the Muslims hold sacred.

More directly, if they attack the American Army and we decide to change our rules of engagement from "Do not engage the mosque" to "If the enemy runs into ANY structure, destroy it.", well then, that's the breaks. What are they going to do when we decide not to fight with one hand tied behind our back, as we have done in every battle since World War II?

By the way, I only realized later that Tyson himself had converted to Islam a few years back. Substitute the name of any strong and renound fighter and the principle still holds.

[Danzig]

william t. sherman is cited for his famed remark of 'war is hell'. problem is, most don't know there's more to the quote.

'war is hell. you can't refine it'. but that's what we try to do, which explains our difficulty in waging war, and in winning it. some remember sherman as a butcher, others remember hims as a winner who helped end a war. guess it depends on your point of view.

[clyde]

Here's the rest most don't know:

"..and Danny is a succubus...."

[Riot]

Iraq, Afghan Veterans Call For Respect For Muslims: 'America, You Gotta Have Our Back' (EXCLUSIVE)

First Posted: 09-13-10 12:31 PM
www.huffingtonpost.com

The push by some in the media against rising anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States gained valuable voices of support over the weekend -- and now joining that chorus are veterans who fought alongside U.S. servicemembers of Islamic faith in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A small but growing group of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have signed onto an open letter, provided exclusively to the Huffington Post, which calls on the American public to respect "the values we risked our lives to protect" and to avoid endangering the mission -- and safety -- of U.S. forces in the Mideast. Like Gen. David Petraeus, the veterans warn that U.S. troops will face blowback from demonstrated intolerance for Muslims at home.

"America, you gotta have our back," reads the letter, composed by signatories Roy Scranton, Philip Klay and Perry O'Brien. "Those who would vilify and target Muslims on grounds of their religious belief not only show a deep disrespect for American values, but put American lives at risk. It's easy to burn a Koran when you won't feel the heat."

O'Brien told HuffPost that he, Scranton and Klay, all of whom are now writers living in New York City, wrote the letter together out of mutual frustration with the uptick in anti-Muslim rhetoric and violence, then learned that "many of our buddies felt the same way."

They're not alone. A Quinnipiac poll released Monday found that 50 percent of respondents said "mainstream Islam" is a peaceful religion, while only 27 percent said it encourages violence toward non-Muslims. And though the Park51 project -- the so-called "Ground Zero mosque" -- is still opposed more than two-to-one by the general populace surveyed by Quinnipiac, support for the project is growing in New York itself.

The "frenzy" whipped up in response to Park51 "was one of the key events that drove us to write the letter," O'Brien wrote in a follow-up email, along with the Muslim cab driver stabbing late last month. "I think we all feel that this city has become the center of much of this renewed intolerance, at least in the popular imagination," he wrote. "As vets living in New York, we wanted to speak on behalf of friends currently deployed and remind people that hysterical culture wars have very real, and very dangerous impact for people fighting real wars."

Read the full letter:

As veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have watched with increasing alarm the rise of anti-Islamic rhetoric within the U.S. We've seen attacks on Muslim citizens, intolerance toward religious expression, and even threats of book burning. All this goes against the values we risked our lives to protect.

We have served beside Muslim soldiers, Marines, sailors, and airmen, as well Muslim translators, who risked their own lives and the lives of their families to help us. For the service members currently deployed, the success of their mission and the safety of their lives depends on a basic respect for, and interaction with, Islamic culture.

Those who would vilify and target Muslims on grounds of their religious belief not only show a deep disrespect for American values, but put American lives at risk. It's easy to burn a Koran when you won't feel the heat.

We speak as infantrymen, truck drivers, medics, artillerymen, supply sergeants, and civil and public affairs officers, professions whose success depends on good relations with a deeply religious Muslim population. That population sees the American flag we wear on our uniform and judges us, not only by our actions but on the values our citizens uphold. We must be able to point back home to the values we represent. Chief among those values is our courage as a nation to peacefully and openly engage with differences of culture and religion.

What is a squad leader in Kandahar supposed to say to an Afghan woman who asks him why we want to burn her holy book?

When citizens here participate in hateful rhetoric and intolerance toward Muslims, it leaves soldiers over there exposed.

America, you gotta have our back.

Roy Scranton, US Army Artillery, Iraq
Philip Klay, USMC Public Affairs Officer, Iraq
Perry O'Brien, US Army Medic (Airborne), Afghanistan
James Redden Jr., USAR Journalist, Iraq
Joshua Casteel, US Army Linguist, Iraq
Logan Mehl-Laituri, US Army Forward Observer, Iraq
Hart Viges, Army, Infantry (Airborne), Iraq
Jason M Wallace, US Air Force Maintenance, Kuwait
Chantelle Bateman, USMC Supply, Iraq
Geoffrey Millard, US Army Infantry, Iraq
Nicholas Przybyla, US Navy Cameraman, Pakistan Coast
John McClelland, US Army Medic (Ranger), Afghanistan and Iraq
Andrew Johnson, US Army Radar Technician, Iraq
Daniel Paulsen, US Army Medic (Airborne), Afghanistan
Fernando Braga, US Army Supply, Iraq
Maggie Martin, US Army Signal, Iraq
Adam Kokesh, USMC Civil Affairs, Iraq
Lisa Zepeda, US Army Lab Technician, Iraq
Brian Turner, US Army Infantry, Iraq
Matt Gallagher, US Army Cavalry Officer, Iraq
Michael Anthony Ruehrwein, US Army OR Tech, Iraq
Erika Sjolander, US Army Supply, Iraq
Bryan Reinholdt, US Army Apache Maintenance, Iraq
Jason Chambers, US Air Force Air Freight Specialist, Iraq
Joe Wheeler, US Army Surgical Assistant, Iraq
Ash Woolson, US Army Combat Engineer, Iraq
Chris Hellie, US Army Cavalry Officer, Iraq
Sara Beining, US Army Intelligence Analyst, Iraq
Helen Gerhardt, US Army Transport, Iraq
Garett Reppenhagen, US Army Cavalry Scout, Iraq

Yeah that eastern-european c.untbag doesn't have an agenda.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

We speak as infantrymen, truck drivers, medics, artillerymen, supply sergeants, and civil and public affairs officers, professions whose success depends on good relations with a deeply religious Muslim population. That population sees the American flag we wear on our uniform and judges us, not only by our actions but on the values our citizens uphold.

You're fighting for our free speech. This is the free speech that her prophet denies both Muslims, and non-Muslims. That's the problem these people have. They are a problem because of that, and not because someone else somewhere is legally threatening to burn books. Too often, we've given in to the threats of these people, and where's it gotten us? It works for them. So, they keep threatening us. They keep threatening you, too. They didn't burn the Korans. Did you get treated better by them? Give me a break. Too often, this term "deeply religious" is used as an excuse to give in to a potential thug. We are deeply tired of Muslims threatening people with violence. We aren't gunna take it anymore. Do your fkn job, and shut up. Maybe we will forgive your chicken shyt ass. People make mistakes. This is one of yours. Don't try to get better treatment by appeasing thugs. This will always be wrong, wrong, wrong! Thugs will always find a reason to justify thuggery.

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