Don't burn the Quran, but beheadings are OK...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So, for being the "civilized ones" we get to be constantly on defense only, which will be read as weakness, and allow the uncivilized ones to perpetually attack. This in spite of our superior armament and technology. Then maybe, someday, we'll get another 9/11 or much worse.

Just like if I go up and punch Mike Tyson, I shouldn't expect to be killed by blunt force trauma -- namely the fists of the ex-champ, right?

how does burning the koran show our strength? how does engaging in poor behavior show we aren't to be messed with?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how does burning the koran show our strength? how does engaging in poor behavior show we aren't to be messed with?

It will be effective in revealing the true number of radicals, which is deliberately underreported.

[joeydb]

Anybody know if the burning will be on the internet or pay-per-view?

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Anybody know if the burning will be on the internet or pay-per-view?

disney channel saturday at 4 pm

[Riot]

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

It will be effective in revealing the true number of radicals, which is deliberately underreported.

lol
we already know the 'true number'-just ask scuds. according to him, every muslim is a radical. get rid of the lot of them, and all our problems are solved. it's that simple, right? it's almost....hitler-esque, isn't it, when you look at it that way? nah...can't be. because hitler was a bad guy, and we're not bad guys.

[clyde]

5 more minutes,Danny....then I am through waiting on your phony boo-bees.

[Danzig]

wm. saletan, slate...


http://www.slate.com/id/2266535/

Two days ago, hundreds of Afghans gathered in Kabul to denounce the United States for burning the Quran. They torched American flags, chanted "Death to America," and carried signs calling for the death of President Obama. Some of them hurled rocks at U.S. troops. A student in the crowd said of the planned Quran burning: "We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decision of the president and the entire United States."

This is how it feels to be judged by the sins of others who destroy in the name of your faith. You're no more responsible for 30 Christian extremists in Florida than Muslims are for the 19 hijackers of 9/11. Yet most of us, when polled, say that no Muslim house of worship should be built near the site of the 9/11 attacks. In saying this, we implicitly hold all Muslims accountable for the crime of those 19 people.

Now you know how it feels to be judged that way. It's inaccurate, and it's wrong.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wm. saletan, slate...


http://www.slate.com/id/2266535/

Two days ago, hundreds of Afghans gathered in Kabul to denounce the United States for burning the Quran. They torched American flags, chanted "Death to America," and carried signs calling for the death of President Obama. Some of them hurled rocks at U.S. troops. A student in the crowd said of the planned Quran burning: "We know this is not just the decision of a church. It is the decision of the president and the entire United States."

This is how it feels to be judged by the sins of others who destroy in the name of your faith. You're no more responsible for 30 Christian extremists in Florida than Muslims are for the 19 hijackers of 9/11. Yet most of us, when polled, say that no Muslim house of worship should be built near the site of the 9/11 attacks. In saying this, we implicitly hold all Muslims accountable for the crime of those 19 people.

Now you know how it feels to be judged that way. It's inaccurate, and it's wrong.

They aren't morally innocent. They follow a butcher's teachings. Anyone who does that will have to deal with the dislike that comes with it. They aren't being accused of murder. They are the followers of a terrorist. They are the fans of a butcher, and most moral people will never respect someone like this.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They aren't morally innocent. They follow a butcher's teachings. Anyone who does that will have to deal with the dislike that comes with it. They aren't being accused of murder. They are the followers of a terrorist. They are the fans of a butcher, and most moral people will never respect someone like this.

It's like you just channel Pamela Geller directly.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

5 more minutes,Danny....then I am through waiting on your phony boo-bees.

i do not have phony boo-bees.

[clyde]

And I have NO proof.



Off it goes.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

And I have NO proof.



Off it goes.

just from talking about boo-bees?!?! wow....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
we already know the 'true number'-just ask scuds. according to him, every muslim is a radical. get rid of the lot of them, and all our problems are solved. it's that simple, right? it's almost....hitler-esque, isn't it, when you look at it that way? nah...can't be. because hitler was a bad guy, and we're not bad guys.

If some other group of people praised a murdering butcher, you wouldn't give them this free pass. You're the one here that is overlooking immoral stuff. Not me. I didn't say kill them. I said don't trust them. Mainly, don't be scared of their retribution. See, this whole thing this week? We don't need to be running around worrying about how they feel about a legal act being done, but look how many did worry about how they felt. This group uses fear and intimidation to get what they want. They didn't want him to do a legal act. They threatened to do such n' such. Our gov't said they feared such n' such would be done by these people "if" this was done. I object to us living our lives thinking about whether something will offend them. Fk them. I am not gunna kill anyone, but we need to stop giving a shyt what they want, or don't want. They aren't the majority in this country, or on this earth. They can eat my hole.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If some other group of people praised a murdering butcher, you wouldn't give them this free pass. You're the one here that is overlooking immoral stuff. Not me. I didn't say kill them. I said don't trust them. Mainly, don't be scared of their retribution. See, this whole thing this week? We don't need to be running around worrying about how they feel about a legal act being done, but look how many did worry about how they felt. This group uses fear and intimidation to get what they want. They didn't want him to do a legal act. They threatened to do such n' such. Our gov't said they feared such n' such would be done by these people "if" this was done. I object to us living our lives thinking about whether something will offend them. Fk them. I am not gunna kill anyone, but we need to stop giving a shyt what they want, or don't want. They aren't the majority in this country, or on this earth. They can eat my hole.

Here's my thing. I dont care about how Muslims feel about seeing the Koran burning. I could care less about that terrible religion. I cared about the REACTION that the savages would have. aka killing American soilders or recruiting more extremists.

If they werent absolute savages to begin with, this wouldnt be a big deal. Could care less about the Muslim savages (evident by Danzigs post about how they reacted to just the story of the Koran burning), do care about our Americans that are over there.

Thats why I have such a problem with the burning. We already know how those animals react. Why provoke when you know the outcome? It makes the pastor almost just as bad as they are.


- and for you PC guys - not all Muslims are savages of course, a lot are though (100,000,000)

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here's my thing. I dont care about how Muslims feel about seeing the Koran burning. I could care less about that terrible religion. I cared about the REACTION that the savages would have. aka killing American soilders or recruiting more extremists.

If they werent absolute savages to begin with, this wouldnt be a big deal. Could care less about the Muslim savages (evident by Danzigs post about how they reacted to just the story of the Koran burning), do care about our Americans that are over there.

Thats why I have such a problem with the burning. We already know how those animals react. Why provoke when you know the outcome? It makes the pastor almost just as bad as they are.


- and for you PC guys - not all Muslims are savages of course, a lot are though (100,000,000)

You make some good observations, but if we follow this to the extreme, then it is the religion, or faction, with the worst reactions that gets the most deference. And the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or others of a more peaceful temperament get ignored, persecuted or worse.

Though not your intention or how you got there, the end result is indistinguishable from cowardice. It will be viewed that way by the world, and most notably by the very enemies whom we will appear the most terrified of.

It's the macroscopic equivalent of "ignore the bully and he'll get tired of beating you". It doesn't work. Kicking the crap out of the bully does work.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by joeydb

You make some good observations, but if we follow this to the extreme, then it is the religion, or faction, with the worst reactions that gets the most deference. And the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or others of a more peaceful temperament get ignored, persecuted or worse.

Though not your intention or how you got there, the end result is indistinguishable from cowardice. It will be viewed that way by the world, and most notably by the very enemies whom we will appear the most terrified of.

It's the macroscopic equivalent of "ignore the bully and he'll get tired of beating you". It doesn't work. Kicking the crap out of the bully does work.

a-zatly

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by joeydb

It's the macroscopic equivalent of "ignore the bully and he'll get tired of beating you". It doesn't work. Kicking the crap out of the bully does work.

This is pretty apparent unless you're a modern day Neville Chamberlain. Going out of your way not to provoke a group that is already BEYOND 'provoked' is borderline comical.

Just another case of not learning from history.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If some other group of people praised a murdering butcher, you wouldn't give them this free pass. You're the one here that is overlooking immoral stuff. Not me. I didn't say kill them. I said don't trust them. Mainly, don't be scared of their retribution. See, this whole thing this week? We don't need to be running around worrying about how they feel about a legal act being done, but look how many did worry about how they felt. This group uses fear and intimidation to get what they want. They didn't want him to do a legal act. They threatened to do such n' such. Our gov't said they feared such n' such would be done by these people "if" this was done. I object to us living our lives thinking about whether something will offend them. Fk them. I am not gunna kill anyone, but we need to stop giving a shyt what they want, or don't want. They aren't the majority in this country, or on this earth. They can eat my hole.

.......right on, let jed clampitt have a giant bonfire.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how does burning the koran show our strength? how does engaging in poor behavior show we aren't to be messed with?

Shows them that people in this country aren't gunna stop doing something just to avoid a thug's retribution. If that's the reason you give this guy (to stop the burning,) then he shouldn't call it off. That's a pss-poor reason. Killing people (for burning books) should be recognized as Muslim thuggishness...... No, ya jump right to the guy who peacefully demonstrated his views. If ya stopped giving out all your free passes, you might not have this guy wanting to burn books. When people start holding Islam responsible for what their leader started, then this world will start getting cleaned up. Won't be possible until people stop giving them free passes. Being scared of thug retribution is always a loser for society as a whole. Not standing up to Islam's thuggishness = a loser for the 70-75% of the world's population that's still free from it.