The Death Penalty

[joeydb]

I'm for it for the crimes of pre-meditated murder, and treason, as is currently on the books.

I do think that now with genetic evidence recovered from crime scenes and crime instruments that it should be mandatory to test the suspect (for exculpatory purposes) so that mistaken indentity will be driven almost to zero cases. I think most states have adopted that rationale by now.

I would also be for the death penalty for heinous crimes like rape, except that, when viewed dynamically, you don't want to have the potential sentence actually negatively affect the victim. For instance, if you make the death penalty for rape, than many rapists might kill their victims since the sentence is the same as murder, and, without a living witness, their chances of being convicted of the crime is substantially reduced.

[the_fat_man]

I'd say, given the new technology, that if they're guilty beyond a doubt, the kill them. But it's not that easy, really. Think of all the women out there that are corresponding with (and visiting) these brutes. What are they supposed to do, find terrorist penpals?

[Antitrust32]

I'd be more for it if it was quicker and cheaper. Its way too expensive.

I'm fine with anyone being put to death who committed pre meditated 1st degree murder. They are just a waste of life and dont deserve to share the same air as good people. (I guess I'm barbaric)

I would be for the death penalty for 1st degree rapists and child molesters too. You dont rape a child by accident, and you dont recover from your mental sickness that makes you rape a child in the first place.

I think it should be simple and cost effective.

If DNA evidence or full confession proves beyond any kind of doubt the murderer or rapist was guilty, take them out back and use a 30 cent bullet and get the job done. Stop wasting 1 million dollars of tax payers money on these filthy pigs.

If there is no DNA evidence, then the death penalty should be off the table (unless there is a confession).

If there is no doubt someone did it, I'm all for them being put down like the animal they are. They deserve it.

I think having the DNA or confession is really important so terrible mistakes are avoided. There was a man in texas executed for committing arson that killed his two daughters. The "arson science" used was suspect, and a lot of independent investigors have been on record saying it most likely was not arson, yet the judice department would not take those views into consideration. They man denied it until the day he was killed. Very sad situation for a man that probably wasnt even guilty. In cases like this, if a prosecuter did not do due diligence and an innocent man was executed, the prosecuter should have to face charges and jail time.

But yeah, the scumbags that deserve it have no value to this world and should just be eliminated in a cost effective manner.

[paisjpq]

totally against it...but not because i love people, or think its cruel etc. (quite the opposite actually, just like i think viscious animals w low possibility of rehabilitation should be put down I also think human predators should be disposed of) just simply because it is more expensive for taxpayers to kill someone than keep him/her alive in prison for life. I dont need the govt wasting any more of my money than possible.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

totally against it...but not because i love people, or think its cruel etc. (quite the opposite actually, just like i think viscious animals w low possibility of rehabilitation should be put down I also think human predators should be disposed of) just simply because it is more expensive for taxpayers to kill someone than keep him/her alive in prison for life. I dont need the govt wasting any more of my money than possible.

you're totally against it,except for vicious animals and human predators..

[clyde]

God made us in His image.

What do you do to a suicide bomber...when they start popping up here?

I think they should have the choice of life in NerdyTrail..or death. Let them choose.





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[Nascar1966]

If the crime warrants the death penalty then give them death that the thug deserves.

[randallscott35]

Remember the only crime you can get it for and not in all states is 1st degree murder. Premeditated murder. The only rational reason against it is that you could make a mistake. Beth brings up a good point about cost but that isn't a reason to be against it. That can be fixed. Appeals can be limited. Time on death row can be limited, etc...From a moral point of view, I have no problem with it. The issue is you can't make a mistake and mistakes have happened. Now in the age of DNA, mistakes are much less likely to happen. So I support the death penalty with the caveat that you better be right...I'd be in favor of the death penalty for rape as well.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're totally against it,except for vicious animals and human predators..

totally against the practice because it costs too much money (might as well let em rot in prison if its cheaper)....i am for the idea, there are people who have commited acts which (IMO) deserve the death penalty.
a little reading comprehension goes a long way.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

totally against the practice because it costs too much money (might as well let em rot in prison if its cheaper)....i am for the idea, there are people who have commited acts which (IMO) deserve the death penalty.
a little reading comprehension goes a long way.

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

there are more than just morality issues surrounding the death penalty...people just tend not to talk about them.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's the first time I've ever heard "too expensive" as a reason for not using the death penalty. A little word comprehension goes a long way too

i used it in the post right above hers. Its WAY too much of a burden on taxpayers.. I imagine killing someone could be pretty cheap.. but all the appeals add up too high.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

totally against it...but not because i love people, or think its cruel etc. (quite the opposite actually, just like i think viscious animals w low possibility of rehabilitation should be put down I also think human predators should be disposed of) just simply because it is more expensive for taxpayers to kill someone than keep him/her alive in prison for life. I dont need the govt wasting any more of my money than possible.

Don't you think the government is wasting money on all the thugs who were sentenced to life in prison when they might deserve the death penalty?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Don't you think the government is wasting money on all the thugs who were sentenced to life in prison when they might deserve the death penalty?

cost to house an inmate for life is less than cost of current rights for capital convictions to court appeals. if you want to make the us govt like the taliban and stone people without delay be my guest...but i dont see that working here.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

cost to house an inmate for life is less than cost of current rights for capital convictions to court appeals. if you want to make the us govt like the taliban and stone people without delay be my guest...but i dont see that working here.

Exactly.
And it is seems fine to some when people say stuff like "speed up the process" or "limit the appeals," but when you see the staggering number of people who have been convicted and sentenced to death row....only to be proven innocent later, that gets harder and harder (for a thinking person) to say. The appeals are there for a reason, and I firmly believe that as long as the death penalty exists, it is a good thing that the process takes as long as it does.

[randallscott35]

I should have been more specific. I wasn't talking about all forms of rape. It will never happen, just something I believe in.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Exactly.
And it is seems fine to some when people say stuff like "speed up the process" or "limit the appeals," but when you see the staggering number of people who have been convicted and sentenced to death row....only to be proven innocent later, that gets harder and harder (for a thinking person) to say. The appeals are there for a reason, and I firmly believe that as long as the death penalty exists, it is a good thing that the process takes as long as it does.

while I agree with this somewhat, in the past 10 years or so DNA has become much more of an exact science. I lbelieve DNA proves way beyond any reasonable doubt, since two people never have the same DNA (maybe identicle twins do? I dunno). If DNA proves, speed up the process and save the

Remember back in OJ's trail that DNA seemed like nothing? Oh Ron Goldmans DNA was found in OJ's car! no big deal! he's not guilty!

[Danzig]

against it for all the reasons cited. the state shouldnt be in the killing business. have also read that a life sentence is cheaper. death sentences drag on for years so they avoid any chance of a mistake.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

against it for all the reasons cited. the state shouldnt be in the killing business. have also read that a life sentence is cheaper. death sentences drag on for years so they avoid any chance of a mistake.

As I said before, the cost reason can be changed. I can be done more cheaply. Even lethal injection doesn't have to be used. Firing squad is far cheaper.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

As I said before, the cost reason can be changed. I can be done more cheaply. Even lethal injection doesn't have to be used. Firing squad is far cheaper.

expense is the minor reason. and the expense is caused by years of appeals, since as i said previously, everyone wants to make sure no mistakes are made. after all, once a life is taken, you can't say oops and give it back. but the main reason is what i said first, the state shouldn't be killing anyone while saying killing is wrong.
let them sit and rot the rest of their days. and as i've said in the past, you read a hellish story (like that 'mother' who strangled her two sons and then put them in the car and claimed they drowned) in s car. and think 'kill them'-but that's why we make our laws in calmer moments.