Best Maiden Race of the meet so far...

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette at Saratoga with 2-year-olds has been an amazing angle going back at least as far as 1998. He goes out and gets the right type of horses for those races and he gets them ready.

Most of the time - those horses won't develop much. But there are exceptions like Dream Rush, High Finance, Read the Footnotes, Summer Doldrums etc.

He's a pretty solid turf trainer when given the kind of horse who isn't a win-early fast 2yo sale type. He developed Man From Wicklow well.

5 YEARS overall was horrible, I had to make it 3.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

5 YEARS overall was horrible, I had to make it 3.

Rick Violette with 2yo's on dirt at Saratoga since '98:

24-for-88 (27.3%) $3.86 ROI

In 2yo dirt races at Saratoga that are 5.5fs or shorter:

15-for-41 (36.6% wins) $4.45 ROI


Again ... a lot of the damage was done in the late 90's - Indian Charlie can tell you how I was a rabid Violette fan ten years ago. It took a while for me to figure out why he was so great with these obscurely bred types sprinting at Saratoga.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette with 2yo's on dirt at Saratoga since '98:

24-for-88 (27.3%) $3.86 ROI

In 2yo dirt races at Saratoga that are 5.5fs or shorter:

15-for-41 (36.6% wins) $4.45 ROI


Again ... a lot of the damage was done in the late 90's - Indian Charlie can tell you how I was a rabid Violette fan ten years ago. It took a while for me to figure out why he was so great with these obscurely bred types sprinting at Saratoga.

How do you go back that far? When I plugged in just 5 it was not that good, I dont really remember late 90's, since I was no older then 14.
Why is he so great?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why is he so great?

He's great with them because he gets the right kind and he doesn't try and train the speed out of them.

Say you've got one owner who wants to buy 8 horses for 200K a piece.

You can go the Zito way and try to buy the 8 as yearlings looking for fairly nicely bred well put together classic types. Or you can buy 8 horses from Ocala and Timonium that don't have the best breeding or conformation - but are very quick.

If you go the former - you're not going to look like much of a debut trainer. If you go with the latter - you're probably going to look like a good debut trainer.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette with 2yo's on dirt at Saratoga since '98:

24-for-88 (27.3%) $3.86 ROI

In 2yo dirt races at Saratoga that are 5.5fs or shorter:

15-for-41 (36.6% wins) $4.45 ROI


Again ... a lot of the damage was done in the late 90's - Indian Charlie can tell you how I was a rabid Violette fan ten years ago. It took a while for me to figure out why he was so great with these obscurely bred types sprinting at Saratoga.

How about breaking this out yearly since 2005 at Saratoga?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

How about breaking this out yearly since 2005 at Saratoga?

2010: 1-for-5
2009: 3-for-10
2008: 2-for-5
2007: 2-for-12
2006: 4-for-14
2005: 2-for-12