Questions for Zenyatta Fans. . .

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by pba1817

That is precisely who I mean jerk off...

These people are the ones you need to entertain.

Do you think that the NFL cares about entertaining the hardcore gambler who will bet on coin tosses and halftime spreads? Or do they care about entertaining the housewife who has 3 kids and will support her team till she is 78yo? All the while buying tickets and merchandise?

You put a lot of undue wear-and-tear on my scroll-wheel.

Who cares about fly by night racing fans/pretty horsey people who don't bet and have no interest in even learning how to handicap?

Tommy Brady's so cute and the New England Patriots are 18-0 - Yay!!! I'm a football fan now!!

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You put a lot of undue wear-and-tear on my scroll-wheel.

Who cares about fly by night racing fans/pretty horsey people who don't bet and have no interest in even learning how to handicap?

Tommy Brady's so cute and the New England Patriots are 18-0 - Yay!!! I'm a football fan now!!

As long as they buy jerseys, tickets, and watch the games on TV. Who cares who they are?

Same focus should be placed upon horse racing, put the focus on entertaining the fans and increasing the experience when attending the races. Your handle will increase as a by product.

[Dahoss]

This is quite the analogy. Saying it's apples and oranges is being too nice.

[randallscott35]

I give up

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

Agreed 100%

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

Coach, why bother? Randall has given up, it's all over now!!!

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Coach, why bother? Randall has given up, it's all over now!!!

He's sane for giving up. This sport is doomed.

[DerbyCat]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

Coach knows his sh!t

[tiggerv]

DMR WPS Combined Pool

7/24 - $4,234,464
7/31 - $4,658,515
8/7 - $5,577,436

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

DMR WPS Combined Pool

7/24 - $4,234,464
7/31 - $4,658,515
8/7 - $5,577,436

cool - they probably bet about a million dollars to place on Zenyatta - and the track was stuck with a negative place pool.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

cool - they probably bet about a million dollars to place on Zenyatta - and the track was stuck with a negative place pool.

I don't doubt that. $1033223 on her race in the WP pool.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

DMR WPS Combined Pool

7/24 - $4,234,464
7/31 - $4,658,515
8/7 - $5,577,436

thanks tiggerv. now, anyone know the usual sat. crowd vs 8/7? that way you could see if the increase in attendance was the same %-wise as the increase in handle. i'm figuring no. tvg said on the radio that a crowd had staked out spots around the paddock starting at the end of race five. obviously those people weren't placing bets if they stood from races five thru nine in one spot.


just saw that it was 10k more than usual...so no, the percentage increase in attendance didn't equate to the same percentage increase in handle. but, still a good day.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Danzig

thanks tiggerv. now, anyone know the usual sat. crowd vs 8/7? that way you could see if the increase in attendance was the same %-wise as the increase in handle. i'm figuring no. tvg said on the radio that a crowd had staked out spots around the paddock starting at the end of race five. obviously those people weren't placing bets if they stood from races five thru nine in one spot.

Del Mar's figures for Saturday go like this:

Attendance: 32,536
On-Track Handle: 3,935,983
In-State: 5,968,638
Inter-State: 9,595,665
Per Capita On-Track: $120.98 (About $110.98 more than that ass-clown in the tank top that TVG showed chanting outside the winner's circle)

On 7/31 these were their numbers:

Attendance: 25,348
On-Track Handle: 3,124,759
In-State: 4,791,554
Inter-State: 8,307,279
Per Capita On-Track: $123.28

On 7/24 these were their numbers:

Attendance: 21,814
On-Track: 2,980,235
In-State: 4,990,118
Inter-State: 7,283,029
Per Capita On-Track: $136.62

By far and away the most positive numbers on Saturday were these (Saratoga 2010 vs. 2009)

In 2009 Saratoga had 39,568 in the place and the total handle was $21,916,837. This year the attendance was a bit lower, 36,658 but the total handle was $24,066,003.

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Betting exchange markets by themselves can save this sport - assuming the commisions are kept reasonable and that there's few or no entities competing with each other.

If things go smoothly ... horse racing will be flooded with 19 year old college kids on a sustained Mountain Dew buzz who spend 14 hours a day on their computer handicapping and betting on races in the market.

That's what could save racing - a vast army of younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's what could save racing - a vast army younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

You're just drooling at the thought of all those easy pickings.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Betting exchange markets by themselves can save this sport - assuming the commisions are kept reasonable and that there's few or no entities competing with each other.

If things go smoothly ... horse racing will be flooded with 19 year old college kids on a sustained Mountain Dew buzz who spend 14 hours a day on their computer handicapping and betting on races in the market.

That's what could save racing - a vast army of younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

The problem with this is that they haven't found a way to funnel that money to the tracks for purses, etc. . . Until they do, it won't happen.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

The problem with this is that they haven't found a way to funnel that money to the tracks for purses, etc. . . Until they do, it won't happen.

It will have to happen.

That's there only shot with younger people. I still habitually watch Betfair's markets almost everyday even though I don't have an account with them.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Betting exchange markets by themselves can save this sport - assuming the commisions are kept reasonable and that there's few or no entities competing with each other.

If things go smoothly ... horse racing will be flooded with 19 year old college kids on a sustained Mountain Dew buzz who spend 14 hours a day on their computer handicapping and betting on races in the market.

That's what could save racing - a vast army of younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

^^^ a very good solution (much better than ticket sales and merchandise)

[Antitrust32]

New England Patriots = Zenyatta
Indy Colts = Rachel
N.O. Saints = Quality Road
Houston Texans = Musket Man
Dallas Cowgirls = Blame
Oakland Raiders = Mine that Bird
Kansas City Chiefs = Super Saver
Philadelphia Eagles = Looking at Lucky (runs big races but comes up short in the superbowl)
Washington Redskins - The Green Monkey

a Joe Montana led 49ers = Secretariat

2008 Detriot Lions = Zippy Chippy


this is kinda fun. Maybe we can come up with a Madden 2010 - Churchill Downs addition.