Zenyatta to the Beldame after Saturday

CSC · #1 08-05-2010, 10:43 AM

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Interesting that Zenyatta has spent nearly her entire career in Southern California and hasn't made a start in any of the "3 most prestigious races in So Cal..."

You do know she is a filly/mare.

slotdirt · #2 08-05-2010, 10:45 AM

Excuses are like a-holes.

Dahoss · #3 08-05-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

You do know she is a filly/mare.

You do know that fillies/mares run against males often.

CSC · #4 08-05-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

You do know that fillies/mares run against males often.

And she did win the BC Classic.

Dahoss · #5 08-05-2010, 10:48 AM

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And she did win the BC Classic.

Does this ever get old?

CSC · #6 08-05-2010, 10:51 AM

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Does this ever get old?

For the record, you brought her up. You then posted she didn't run in either the Pacific Classic, Hollywood Gold Cup and Big Cap as to infer she never raced against males. So I mentioned the BC Classic to you, yes this never gets old...for you.

Dahoss · #7 08-05-2010, 10:56 AM

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For the record, you brought her up. You then posted she didn't run in either the Pacific Classic, Hollywood Gold Cup and Big Cap as to infer she never raced against males. So I mentioned the BC Classic to you, yes this never gets old...for you.

The topic is about Zenyatta. I found it interesting that even you acknowledge that she has avoided the most prestigious races in the area she has spent nearly her entire career. Races that she was eligible for and could have run in.

I never inferred she has never raced against males. I'm familiar with her racing record. I was commenting that this all time great has not run in any of those prestigious races. How many other all time greats can we say the same thing about?

CSC · #8 08-05-2010, 11:02 AM

I've had this discussion before, contrary to belief I have moved on. But if others want to beat this topic to a pulp, this is fine by me.

slotdirt · #9 08-05-2010, 10:48 AM

You know, I hate that the Breeders Cup has expanded as much as it has, but with synthetics in play, it's just not possible to fairly run the Breeders Cup at a single track. The synthetics horses need to be separated into their own divisions. Honestly.

10 pnt move up · #10 08-05-2010, 01:25 PM

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You do know that fillies/mares run against males often.

Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

CSC · #11 08-05-2010, 01:26 PM

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Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

Goldikova and Six Perfections?

10 pnt move up · #12 08-05-2010, 01:28 PM

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Goldikova and Six Perfections?

they are turf milers......those are not the american classic races...forgot the Donn in there.

Revidere · #13 08-05-2010, 01:29 PM

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Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

I'm going with Azeri (Met Mile, Breeder's Cup Classic) and Island Fashion (Big Cap) and of course Devil May Care

10 pnt move up · #14 08-05-2010, 01:29 PM

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I'm going with Azeri (Met Mile, Breeder's Cup Classic) and Island Fashion (Big Cap) and of course Devil May Care

how did they do?

Revidere · #15 08-05-2010, 01:30 PM

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how did they do?

Ahem....Not well.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 08-05-2010, 02:16 PM

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Ahem....Not well.

Island Fashion was 2nd in the Santa Antia Handicap the first time she ran in it.

Her poor races in the Pacific Classic and Big Cap came when she was off form later on in her career.

Antitrust32 · #17 08-05-2010, 01:32 PM

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how did they do?

Rags to Riches

10 pnt move up · #18 08-05-2010, 01:37 PM

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Rags to Riches

that was a restricted race, but yup thats one

ateamstupid · #19 08-05-2010, 01:34 PM

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Can you give me the other fillies besides RA and Zenyatta who have tried to run against older horses in the marquee races on dirt/syn of the past decade or so? Races like the Woodward, JCGC, SA Derby, Hol GC, PC, Clark, Foster, Pim Special, and BC Classic?

I came up with like two. Turf yes its done more often, especially the mile distance.

Can you give me the other 17-for-17 bestest mares of all-time? We're led to believe that her success is unprecedented. If that's so, her challenges should be as well.

10 pnt move up · #20 08-05-2010, 01:39 PM

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Can you give me the other 17-for-17 bestest mares of all-time? We're led to believe that her success is unprecedented. If that's so, her challenges should be as well.

Dahoss does not put her in that group, at least I think thats what he has said.

No filly can consistently run with older colts and win.......you can take that to the bank. Once, twice maybe, but not 3-4 times a year, IMO. It will break them.