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Old 08-01-2010, 10:36 PM
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Really Joseph? Great? Maybe a bunch of decent horses that all have run a few big races here and that turned it into a deep race. But I wouldn't exactly call that a group great.
text to my business partner after the race:

"LaL is a piece of crap, what does it say about the rest of them"


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Ok.... Derby and Preakness 1-2 in the race, Trappe Shot... Um How many DT members were crazy about him? Large win bet over 3-1, top beyer, thats what we have been hearing in the other thread. He ROLLED HOME TODAY.
It couldn't have been any better- Monmouth got the best 3yo's out there. That's the problem. They are all terrible. That was a dreadful race.
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text to my business partner after the race:

"LaL is a piece of crap, what does it say about the rest of them"
Phil he is not a piece of crap. He is very very good.
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:40 PM
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Phil he is not a piece of crap. He is very very good.
No he isn't. He's mediocre at best. G3 winner in most years- he just happened to be in the right year. Hell, he isn't even in Pegram's own top 3.
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text to my business partner after the race:

"LaL is a piece of crap, what does it say about the rest of them"




It couldn't have been any better- Monmouth got the best 3yo's out there. That's the problem. They are all terrible. That was a dreadful race.

Phil I love you, but I totally disagree with you here.
In 2 months we will be talking about 2yr old champion, Haskell, Travers, big prep and BC winner or runner up to QR. He is far from a POS.
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Phil I love you, but I totally disagree with you here.
In 2 months we will be talking about 2yr old champion, Haskell, Travers, big prep and BC winner or runner up to QR. He is far from a POS.
Does that mean he's going to beat Zenyatta?
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An excerpt from an article in the BloodHorse

"A year after Rachel Alexandra completed the Preakness/Haskell double en route to Horse of the Year honors, Lookin At Lucky has accomplished the same feat -- against a Haskell field many consider the deepest in the race's 43-year history."



http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ookin-at-lucky
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against a Haskell field many consider the deepest in the race's 43-year history.[/i]"
Yes - many people without even basic handicapping skills.

Just because people have watched horse racing and have been in the industry for a long, long time ... doesn't mean they have even the slightest idea what they're talking about when it comes to making competent judgments that involve a morsel of handicapping skill.
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An excerpt from an article in the BloodHorse

"A year after Rachel Alexandra completed the Preakness/Haskell double en route to Horse of the Year honors, Lookin At Lucky has accomplished the same feat -- against a Haskell field many consider the deepest in the race's 43-year history."



http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ookin-at-lucky

deep and good aren't necessarily the same thing. you had classic win/place horses in there, that's where they got the deep from. and yes, it's true, the race today drew a lot of the better horses this year compared to past haskells. doesn't mean it's a better crop tho. lookin at lucky won-someone had to. doesn't mean he's very, very good. or even very good. slow time, yet another slow time to add to all the other slow times this year.
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Does that mean he's going to beat Zenyatta?
He could. He needs to improve, but he could
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Phil I love you, but I totally disagree with you here.
In 2 months we will be talking about 2yr old champion, Haskell, Travers, big prep and BC winner or runner up to QR. He is far from a POS.
Here are the winners of the Haskell the last 20 or so years and you tell me where you would rank him amongst them.
Lookin At Lucky
Rachel Alexandra
Big Brown
Any Given Saturday
Bluegrass Cat
Roman Ruler
Lion Heart
Peace Rules
War Emblem
Point Given
Dixie Union
Menifee
Coronado's Quest
Touch Gold
Skip Away
Serena's Song
Holy Bull
Kissin Kris
Technology
Lost Mountain
Restless Con
King Glorious
Forty Niner
Bet Twice

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Here are the winners of the Haskell the last 20 or so years and you tell me where you would rank him amongst them.
Lookin At Lucky
Rachel Alexandra
Big Brown
Any Given Saturday
Bluegrass Cat
Roman Ruler
Lion Heart
Peace Rules
War Emblem
Point Given
Dixie Union
Menifee
Coronado's Quest
Touch Gold
Skip Away
Serena's Song
Holy Bull
Kissin Kris
Technology
Lost Mountain
Restless Con
King Glorious
Forty Niner
Bet Twice

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I can only discuss back to Holy Bull....No way last Phil, Big Brown lol he was a total POS, talk about a bad crop. This years 3yr olds are 100x better then that crop. Really Any Given Saturday and Bluegrass Cat, ughh... NO WAY LAST.
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I can only discuss back to Holy Bull....No way last Phil, Big Brown lol he was a total POS, talk about a bad crop. This years 3yr olds are 100x better then that crop. Really Any Given Saturday and Bluegrass Cat, ughh... NO WAY LAST.
OK, I changed my mind.

He's better than Restless Con. 2nd last.
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Here are the winners of the Haskell the last 20 or so years and you tell me where you would rank him amongst them.
Lookin At Lucky
Rachel Alexandra
Big Brown
Any Given Saturday
Bluegrass Cat
Roman Ruler
Lion Heart
Peace Rules
War Emblem
Point Given
Dixie Union
Menifee
Coronado's Quest
Touch Gold
Skip Away
Serena's Song
Holy Bull
Kissin Kris
Technology
Lost Mountain
Restless Con
King Glorious
Forty Niner
Bet Twice

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If LAL runs in and wins the Travers he will join four of the horses on the list who have won both the Haskell and Travers. I see at least 7 horses on that list that have nowhere near LAL's resume and 7 that he could easily surpass by the end of the year.
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:35 PM
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If LAL runs in and wins the Travers he will join four of the horses on the list who have won both the Haskell and Travers. I see at least 7 horses on that list that have nowhere near LAL's resume and 7 that he could easily surpass by the end of the year.
You're missing the point. Yes, he has built a pretty impressive resume thus far. I have no issue with anyone saying he's the best 3yo this year, because he is. But he's the best of a bad bunch, just like Big Brown was in 2008. He's done very little to say historically he stacks up in my opinion.

Seriously, just looking at the 4 you highlighted- Lookin at Lucky would get crushed by all of them.
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You're missing the point. Yes, he has built a pretty impressive resume thus far. I have no issue with anyone saying he's the best 3yo this year, because he is. But he's the best of a bad bunch, just like Big Brown was in 2008. He's done very little to say historically he stacks up in my opinion.

Seriously, just looking at the 4 you highlighted- Lookin at Lucky would get crushed by all of them.
My point is that he would join those four in winning both premier Summer races.
I didn't say he stacks up to the four in question but for you to say "one word answer, LAST" I'm pretty confident he's closer to those four than at least seven others on the list are to him. He is in the process of developing as all 3yo's are and once in a while it's refreshing to see a top 2yo continue on to a competitive season.

Lost Mountain? Please
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My point is that he would join those four in winning both premier Summer races.
I didn't say he stacks up to the four in question but for you to say "one word answer, LAST" I'm pretty confident he's closer to those four than at least seven others on the list are to him. He is in the process of developing as all 3yo's are and once in a while it's refreshing to see a top 2yo continue on to a competitive season.

Lost Mountain? Please

Lost Mountain won the race with a 107 Beyer and the next out Travers 1-2 finishers were second and third to him. It's not like his Haskell performance would have left him smoked by todays winner.

Here's a 3-year-old who went 3-for-11 .... Captain Steve.



He took on older horses in the Ky Cup, Goodwood, and Breeders Cup Classic - and beat every single one of them. The older Golden Missile was 2nd to him in the KY Cup with the Hollywood Gold Cup winner 3rd. Fellow 3yo Tiznow beat him in the Goodwood and fellow 3yo's Tiznow and Giant's Causeway beat him in the BC Classic. In fact, 3yo Albert The Great was 4th in that years Breeders Cup Classic after winning the JCGC with a 119 Beyer against olders in his prior start.

If you go 30 horses deep ... that 3yo crop of 2000 crushes any I've seen since. It's tough to put together a great resume when the opposition you face doesn't suck.
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If LAL runs in and wins the Travers he will join four of the horses on the list who have won both the Haskell and Travers. I see at least 7 horses on that list that have nowhere near LAL's resume and 7 that he could easily surpass by the end of the year.
Who cares what a "resume" looks like?

What are LAL's best races?

The Haskell? Where he beat a hard luck 2nd place finisher Trappe Shot who was coming off of a 2.5 length win over Nacho Friend in a 4 horse field.

The 3rd place finisher First Dude is 1-for-9 and has one of the nicest resume's ever for a horse who still has his N1X allowance condition.


Or maybe you prefer Lookin at Lucky's 102 Beyer Preakness win - where he beat such wonderful competition as First Dude (great resume for an N1X'er!) Jackson Bend (0-for-6 this year and 5th in the Pegasus most recently) Yawanna Twist was 4th beaten less than 2 lengths in the Preakness - and he's yet to win anything other than a NY Bred MSW and NY Bred N1X, both at 6fs on the Inner dirt at AQU.
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Who cares what a "resume" looks like?

What are LAL's best races?

The Haskell? Where he beat a hard luck 2nd place finisher Trappe Shot who was coming off of a 2.5 length win over Nacho Friend in a 4 horse field.

The 3rd place finisher First Dude is 1-for-9 and has one of the nicest resume's ever for a horse who still has his N1X allowance condition.


Or maybe you prefer Lookin at Lucky's 102 Beyer Preakness win - where he beat such wonderful competition as First Dude (great resume for an N1X'er!) Jackson Bend (0-for-6 this year and 5th in the Pegasus most recently) Yawanna Twist was 4th beaten less than 2 lengths in the Preakness - and he's yet to win anything other than a NY Bred MSW and NY Bred N1X, both at 6fs on the Inner dirt at AQU.
Look, go back in time during the middle of the year of most 3yo's and start picking apart the accomplishments of the horses who so and so beat at that moment in their careers.

I'll take a resume over a flash in the pan "two race top beyer number" horse anyday.
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Here are the winners of the Haskell the last 20 or so years and you tell me where you would rank him amongst them.
Lookin At Lucky
Rachel Alexandra
Big Brown
Any Given Saturday
Bluegrass Cat
Roman Ruler
Lion Heart
Peace Rules
War Emblem
Point Given
Dixie Union
Menifee
Coronado's Quest
Touch Gold
Skip Away
Serena's Song
Holy Bull
Kissin Kris
Technology
Lost Mountain
Restless Con
King Glorious
Forty Niner
Bet Twice

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