Chief Douche Bag

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Well...I'd feel better about it if we could find the 8.7 billion missing from the Defense dept!

that's only a part of the problem. iran wouldn't be such a thorn in our side right now if we'd stayed out of there to begin with. afganistan would have gotten all our time and attention when it was needed. maybe instead of still being involved in two wars, we'd be in none right now. now, wouldn't that be nice? if we hadn't gone into iraq, we wouldn't be missing all that money right now, would we?

afganistan is fubar. history showed the difficulties that were to be found there. pakistan doesn't help. taking men, material and money from afganistan to go into iraq, which was completely unnecessary, only has drawn out the bs in afganistan.

being in those two regions right now restricts us elsewhere.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's only a part of the problem. iran wouldn't be such a thorn in our side right now if we'd stayed out of there to begin with.

What in the world would lead you to believe this?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What in the world would lead you to believe this?

because iran and iraq kept each other in check. removing half that equation left the other half, iran, with a power vacuum to fill. they happily have done so. who over there can convince iran to behave now? saudi arabia? us? note the move to nukes since we took out saddam. remember the iran/iraq war? who backed iraq, since we used the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' line of foreign policy for years?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

because iran and iraq kept each other in check. removing half that equation left the other half, iran, with a power vacuum to fill. they happily have done so. who over there can convince iran to behave now? saudi arabia? us? note the move to nukes since we took out saddam. remember the iran/iraq war? who backed iraq, since we used the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' line of foreign policy for years?

you do remember the Hussein family? We cried foul on ourselves when we water boarded. This guy and sons were killing people for fun.

BTW Israel is and will keep Iran in check.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

because iran and iraq kept each other in check. removing half that equation left the other half, iran, with a power vacuum to fill. they happily have done so. who over there can convince iran to behave now? saudi arabia? us? note the move to nukes since we took out saddam. remember the iran/iraq war? who backed iraq, since we used the 'enemy of our enemy is our friend' line of foreign policy for years?

This was true 20 years ago but just isn't relevant anymore. Iran is a "thorn" because they are developing nukes which has no relevance to Iraq. Iraq had no control over Iran nor would the presense of Saddam prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

[Danzig]

amadinejad has said for several years now that he's only waiting for us to leave to step in this vacuum...but it doesn't exist?

and yes, dell, i know full well about hussein and his sons. just one of many leaders out there who abuse their citizens. we'll be dead broke if we invade every country that has that issue. i didn't realize that was our problem, to fix that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

amadinejad has said for several years now that he's only waiting for us to leave to step in this vacuum...but it doesn't exist?

and yes, dell, i know full well about hussein and his sons. just one of many leaders out there who abuse their citizens. we'll be dead broke if we invade every country that has that issue. i didn't realize that was our problem, to fix that.

So are you trying to say that if we had never invaded Iraq that iran wouldn't be trying to become a nuclear power and as such a huge threat to the region? I think you are being a little naive in this regard. Iran was going to be a problem regardless of who was in charge in iraq. Let's face facts, Israel is the boss in that neighborhood because they not only have nukes but the propensity to actually use them. Iraq has been a paper tiger for many years prior to us invading.

And that nut job has also said that the holocaust was made up, blames the US and Israel for just about every issue worldwide and maintains that his nuclear ambitions are purely peaceful so forgive me for taking anything he says with a grain of salt.

[Danzig]

i know he's a nut. i also know that eventually they may have become a nuclear power. i also know that we can't stay in iraq forever, that iran is now the biggest power in that area, that their traditional enemy, iraq, is incredibly weak now. just what do you suppose is going to happen when we leave there? assuming, that is, we are ever able to leave.

besides, as i said, a war should be right, should leave us better off, and should be winnable. is iraq all three? i say, no. if it isn't all three, then what was the point?