7/24 (MTH): Lady's Secret S. feat. Rachel Alexandra

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

And how is that her ****ing fault Chuckie. Its worth 400k.

Well the Whitney is in 2 weeks, the Del Cap was last weekend. What would have been wrong with either of those? O yes, the 10f and QR.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Well the Whitney is in 2 weeks, the Del Cap was last weekend. What would have been wrong with either of those? O yes, the 10f and QR.

Give me a break. She beat males and older males 3 times last year....She only regained her old form for the last race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Give me a break. She beat males and older males 3 times last year....She only regained her old form for the last race.

Zenyattas Classic, I agree it was not the best of the best, but it was TONS BETTER then anything Rachel faced in the Woodward.

[LARHAGE]

What's even more pathetic is that the hopeless Yes She's a Lady gets a whopping 3 pounds from the HOY, despite not winning a race in over a year. This is a complete joke, and I truly hope she loses, and I'm someone who actually loves Rachel.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

What's even more pathetic is that the hopeless Yes She's a Lady gets a whopping 3 pounds from the HOY, despite not winning a race in over a year. This is a complete joke, and I truly hope she loses, and I'm someone who actually loves Rachel.

This group is so bad that it virtually impossible without Borel falling off.

The rest of the field is 4 for 20 on the year with 3 of those wins coming in claiming races at Oaklawn by Fablous Babe who is coming in off of a 62 beyer in an optional claimer.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's not a handicap race and it is an ungraded stakes race run right around the exact same time as the freaking 750K Grade 2 Delaware Handicap and the Grade 1 Ruffian.

Who exactly were some of you people expecting to show up? Sharp Cat and Bayakoa?

Of course the race is a joke .. but that was obviously always going to be the result well in advance of the draw.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Zenyattas Classic, I agree it was not the best of the best, but it was TONS BETTER then anything Rachel faced in the Woodward.

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

Besides, Randall's quote was about Rachel's entire campaign. Cherry-picking just the Woodward and comparing it on its own to the Classic is disingenuous.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Besides, Randall's quote was about Rachel's entire campaign. Cherry-picking just the Woodward and comparing it on its own to the Classic is disingenuous.

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

FYI: Your pomposity and obsessive use of ellipses doesn't substitute for a meaningful point.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

Right, a mare winning races like the Milady, Vanity, Clement Hirsch and Lady's Secret is as significant as a filly winning the Preakness and the Haskell.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by prudery

FYI--the Woodward and the Classic were the only unrestricted races both girls ran in--nothing disigenous there . Of course there was a surface variable, but the former still applies--one unrestricted race each ...

Every other race each ran in was age or sex restricted ..

So if a bunch of Grade I winning turf horses had shown up for Rachel's Woodward on conventional dirt, and she had rolled by 10, you'd naturally admit that it was the stronger race?

Please. She ran on dirt, against dirt horses who were in solid form at the time.

Zenyatta won the year's biggest "dirt" race against a bunch of turf horses.

Of course it's disingenuous, but that's nothing new.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

For a dirt race? The BC Classic has been the country's top DIRT race, and she beat a good, rock-solid field of mainly turf horses, synthetic horses, and dirt no-hopers (thanks to the synthetic surface) in the country's biggest DIRT race.

It's apples and oranges to try to compare the two.

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

To that end, do her connections not deserve credit for pointing her to the classic on her less proven surface this year? It's been mentioned in this thread that Euro's have basically kicked the American's butts on plastic the past 2 years on proride in the BC, here we have one American horse that more than held up her end by beating the best turf, dirt, synth specialists that wanted to run in the classic, but it is viewed by some as a feat via asterisk, not you specifically Brian, but by some. How can one make a statement of that belief by saying the Euro's are so superior to the Americans on plastic yet downgrade her performance is truly hard to understand.

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well, I disagree wholeheartedly that the Euros "kicked [our butts]" on Pro-Ride the last two years, they won a couple of races, including the Marathon twice (which long-distance Euros should win every time, so it's not really germane), the BC Juvy one year, and the Classic one year.

So, I'm not really of that mindset anyway, because I don't think they did. However, horses coming off dirt preps then running in the biggest "dirt" races of the year are 0-for-everything in the last two years, and that says more about the surface than two upset-minded Euros.

But I don't disagree with your other assertion -- good for Z's connections for protecting her and pointing her to the races on her home turf, but the point I'm making, is to use those fields to try to compare to Rachel's Woodward is positively ludicrous and just nothing more than opportunistic grabbing by those who want to validate the races as something more than they were. The Classic last year was sensational, for what it was and nothing more, but positing it as some sort of equivalent to a top dirt race is ridiculous and should be summarily rejected out of hand with no further discussion and no further consideration by anyone of rational mind.

Then they should be viewed as separate entities, both special and difficult in their own ways. This I can see eye to eye on.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Well the Whitney is in 2 weeks, the Del Cap was last weekend. What would have been wrong with either of those? O yes, the 10f and QR.

Zenyatta could have run in these races also. The connections of both horses are ducking.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Zenyatta could have run in these races also. The connections of both horses are ducking.

Hmm, Zenyatta is running in and being pointed to Grade 1's. You dont see the difference?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Hmm, Zenyatta is running in and being pointed to Grade 1's. You dont see the difference?

Come on man. I know you are smarter than this. Grade 1? The races are a joke. They are both ducking top competition.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Come on man. I know you are smarter than this. Grade 1? The races are a joke. They are both ducking top competition.

A Grade 1 is a Grade 1, and synthetics are part of the game now, as much as we hate it, thats how it is.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

A Grade 1 is a Grade 1, and synthetics are part of the game now, as much as we hate it, thats how it is.

Hard to argue with such a convincing statement.