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Antitrust32 · #1 07-20-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

It just always seems odd to me that so many people have a pathological need to feel their country is "the best." It just seems weird.

I went to the University of Missouri for my undergrad. I loved it. I met the best friends of my life there. I think it is a great university. I cheer like hell for their sports teams every year, and own a bunch of Mizzou "gear." I guess I'm "proud" to be a Tiger. But I don't always feel the need to go around saying it is the best university in the world. I don't think alums of any other school do either. I'm not sure why it isn't like that with countries. People want to be proud....hey go ahead. But don't tell me what the best thing to ever happen to me is. I think I'll decide that for myself.

Turn back the clock 40 years or however old you are. And have your seed planted in a village in India. Or any country in Africa. Or Mexico. You'd be begging to have been born in the USA.

comparing countries to universities & pride is freaking hilarious. When people start fighting and dying for the University of Arizona, then maybe your analogy would make the tiniest bit of sense.

GBBob · #2 07-20-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Turn back the clock 40 years or however old you are. And have your seed planted in a village in India. Or any country in Africa. Or Mexico. You'd be begging to have been born in the USA.

comparing countries to universities & pride is freaking hilarious. When people start fighting and dying for the University of Arizona, then maybe your analogy would make the tiniest bit of sense.

Alright...philosophical...would you rather have been born in the US with CP confined to a wheel chair or been born healthy in Mexico. I know which I would pick. And this is only because you are saying it's the best thing that ever happened to you.

Antitrust32 · #3 07-20-2010, 04:36 PM

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Alright...philosophical...would you rather have been born in the US with CP confined to a wheel chair or been born healthy in Mexico. I know which I would pick. And this is only because you are saying it's the best thing that ever happened to you.

if you are unfortunate enough to be born with CP, than US would be the best place to try to live your life.

thats a tough question.

I guess I'd rather be born in Mexico with a functional body.. and than illegally immigrate into Tucson & sell blow and pot.

GBBob · #4 07-20-2010, 04:39 PM

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if you are unfortunate enough to be born with CP, than US would be the best place to try to live your life.

thats a tough question.

I guess I'd rather be born in Mexico with a functional body.. and than illegally immigrate into Tucson & sell blow and pot.

NASCAR in 3-2-1

Antitrust32 · #5 07-20-2010, 04:42 PM

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NASCAR in 3-2-1

Cannon Shell · #6 07-20-2010, 05:02 PM

I would say that arguing against the US in the theoretical greatest country in the world poll would be pretty poor bet.

Denmark? LOL

yeah if you are lily white and dont get sea sick.

plus the US already has a Denmark. We call it Connecticut and Rhode island.

miraja2 · #7 07-20-2010, 05:16 PM

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plus the US already has a Denmark. We call it Connecticut and Rhode island.

College education in Connecticut and Rhode Island is free? I didn't know that. I also didn't know Forbes ranked Connecticut and Rhode Island as having the best business environments in the world.

Cannon Shell · #8 07-20-2010, 05:18 PM

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College education in Connecticut and Rhode Island is free? I didn't know that. I also didn't know Forbes ranked Connecticut and Rhode Island as having the best business environments in the world.

So free college and a good business environment are the standards? You should be a Republican.

Danzig · #9 07-20-2010, 06:53 PM

i think everyone completely missed my point. it wasn't whether we're the greatest or not...it's why we can't get better talent where it's needed. are the sarah palins, george bushes, barrack obamas of this world the best we can do?? one's smarter than the other two...but is our current president really up to the task? i don't think he is. i don't think he's got enough 'bottom' to him. if he were a racehorse heading into the spring classics, we'd bet on others. he'd be the one who's talented, but short on seasoning. it's not just the president, who fills the cabinet and potentially several spots on the court. look at our reps, our senators. is this the best we can do?

#10 07-20-2010, 06:58 PM

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i think everyone completely missed my point. it wasn't whether we're the greatest or not...it's why we can't get better talent where it's needed. are the sarah palins, george bushes, barrack obamas of this world the best we can do?? one's smarter than the other two...but is our current president really up to the task? i don't think he is. i don't think he's got enough 'bottom' to him. if he were a racehorse heading into the spring classics, we'd bet on others. he'd be the one who's talented, but short on seasoning. it's not just the president, who fills the cabinet and potentially several spots on the court. look at our reps, our senators. is this the best we can do?

He would be The Green Monkey

Riot · #11 07-20-2010, 07:39 PM

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i think everyone completely missed my point. it wasn't whether we're the greatest or not...it's why we can't get better talent where it's needed.

I would guess for the same reason we can't get talent into Washington to work as staff: open public season on the smallest details of one's personal life, going back to birth. Many say, "No thanks" to that.

miraja2 · #12 07-20-2010, 04:41 PM

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I guess I'd rather be born in Mexico with a functional body.

So being born with a "functional body" is a better thing to happen to someone than being born in the U.S.? Are you retracting your earlier statement?

Antitrust32 · #13 07-20-2010, 04:46 PM

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So being born with a "functional body" is a better thing to happen to someone than being born in the U.S.? Are you retracting your earlier statement?

considering Cerebral Palsy is one of the worst disorders a human can have.. sure.. you win.

miraja2 · #14 07-20-2010, 04:35 PM

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Turn back the clock 40 years or however old you are. And have your seed planted in a village in India. Or any country in Africa. Or Mexico. You'd be begging to have been born in the USA.

comparing countries to universities & pride is freaking hilarious. When people start fighting and dying for the University of Arizona, then maybe your analogy would make the tiniest bit of sense.

I assume you do realize that the fact that people DON'T fight and die for universities illustrates MY exact point.

Antitrust32 · #15 07-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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I assume you do realize that the fact that people DON'T fight and die for universities illustrates MY exact point.

are you saying people dont die and fight for countries?

miraja2 · #16 07-20-2010, 04:39 PM

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are you saying people dont die and fight for countries?

No, of course not. Patriotism is one of the biggest killers in the world. It is right up there with religion.
You missed the point entirely.

Antitrust32 · #17 07-20-2010, 04:42 PM

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No, of course not. Patriotism is one of the biggest killers in the world. It is right up there with religion.
You missed the point entirely.

I really did miss the point. I've even re-read the post a few times and just cannot figure out the point. Much too complicated for my Pac-10 education.

miraja2 · #18 07-20-2010, 04:50 PM

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I really did miss the point. I've even re-read the post a few times and just cannot figure out the point. Much too complicated for my Pac-10 education.

The point is....why can't people just be "proud" of their country the way they are of their school....or their city....or whatever else? Why do they have to take it to the level of declaring it "the best" in such an emphatic way. I'm not just talking about Americans here either. This would be a much better world if nobody loved their country enough to kill another person for it. I love Mizzou and "hate" Kansas and their fans. But nobody (usually) gets killed over those disputes.
Obviously this is purely phisophical and completely outside the realm of actual possibility but honestly, nobody should love their country - any country - so much that they not only are willing to kill someone else over it, but also think it is a great and noble thing. If patriotism vanished from the world entirely, and took religion with it, the world would be a better place.

Antitrust32 · #19 07-20-2010, 05:07 PM

^^ sounds like a John Lennon song.

If the world and religion and countries and continents were as simple as university's.. than sure it sounds wonderful.

But then a guy name Adolf Hitler buys Arizona State University, and Southern Cal.. and he thinks he's so great that he's going to take over the U of A & UCLA without paying. should we just let Hitler take over our college? What if I dont want to be taught by ASU? What if I couldnt stand their filthy, ugly school colors? We just let ASU take over?

I wish as much as you do that 100% of this world would be living in peace and happiness. its just so impossible that wishing for it doesnt solve anything.