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GBBob · #21 07-20-2010, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

can you list a few of these countries that are better than the USA?

England? if they were so great we wouldnt have fought so hard to succeed from them.

France? If it wasnt for the USA, there would have been no more France in the 1940's.

I guess if you agree with socialism over capitalism, and think the reason to work hard is to be taxed hard, then yes, there are better countries out there.

But what defines "better". I mean..gay rights? Um..not the US. Health Care..um..not the US. For me..Gun Control..not the US...Pro Choice...not the US,..Seperation of Church and State..not the US..Genocide on the Indians...there you go...US. I mean, these are random examples, and the US is a great country, but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.

miraja2 · #22 07-20-2010, 04:10 PM

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I'm dead fucl<ing serious.

If you think it is the best country in the world, that's fine. But you have to admit that the logic of "the U.S. is better than England, because if it wasn't why did the colonists secede from there," is a bit ridiculous. By that logic....wouldn't the Confederate States of America be better than the United States of America for the four years it existed? If you want to argue that the U.S. is better than France & England....fine. But those were stupid examples.

If you think it is the best, fine. But what REALLY makes you say that? Look up some information on.....oh I don't know.....I'll say.....Denmark. Then compare it to the U.S. and get back to me. What kind of rights do their citizens have? How happy are the people? How affluent are they? Who has the better education system? etc. Whatever matters most to you. Then really ask yourself, which is the "better" country? In some ways, probably the U.S. In other ways, probably Denmark.

Antitrust32 · #23 07-20-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

But what defines "better". I mean..gay rights? Um..not the US. Health Care..um..not the US. For me..Gun Control..not the US...Pro Choice...not the US,..Seperation of Church and State..not the US..Genocide on the Indians...there you go...US. I mean, these are random examples, and the US is a great country, but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.

Gay rights is a fairly new thing in this world.. & it wont be long until America is on the correct page with a lot of Europe on that.

Health Care.. thats a difficult topic. I'll take our doctors and hospitals with my insurance that I receive from working over any other countries health care system out there. The brightest minds in the world practice health care in the USA.

Gun Control.. personal opinions on that one.. I'm happy with the amendment on it.. though I do not believe the gang back in the 1700's new that we'd have fully automatic assualt rifles in the future.. and I agree with you about those types of weapons.

We have more of a Seperation of Church and State than people believe. Its probably the least thing to worry about. Though personally I'm down for a seperation of church and life.

Genocide on the Indians? I have no excuses for that, it is a disgusting part of our history that is rarely talked about.

GBBob · #24 07-20-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

If you think it is the best country in the world, that's fine. But you have to admit that the logic of "the U.S. is better than England, because if it wasn't why did the colonists secede from there," is a bit ridiculous. By that logic....wouldn't the Confederate States of America be better than the United States of America for the four years it existed.

If you think it is the best, fine. But what REALLY makes you say that? Look up some information on.....oh I don't know.....I'll say.....Denmark, and get back to me. Which is the "better" country? In some ways, probably the U.S. In other ways, probably Denmark.

Subsitute Denmark for almost any other European country, many Asian countries, some South African Countries, maybe a South American country or two and Canada and you have the same answer...sometimes US, sometimes not.

Antitrust32 · #25 07-20-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

If you think it is the best country in the world, that's fine. But you have to admit that the logic of "the U.S. is better than England, because if it wasn't why did the colonists secede from there," is a bit ridiculous. By that logic....wouldn't the Confederate States of America be better than the United States of America for the four years it existed? If you want to argue that the U.S. is better than France & England....fine. But those were stupid examples.

If you think it is the best, fine. But what REALLY makes you say that? Look up some information on.....oh I don't know.....I'll say.....Denmark, and get back to me. What kind of rights do their citizens have? How happy are the people? How affluent are they? Who has the better education system? etc. Whatever matters most to you. Then really ask yourself, which is the "better" country? In some ways, probably the U.S. In other ways, probably Denmark.

U.S is better than England for tons of reasons. The history of England is very nasty. The United States, for all the hating on Bush and the war in Iraq, has been by far the most compassionate superpower in world history. That is something we should be proud of.

Denmark / Sweden on average, have MUCH hotter women.. so I'll give them that

hoovesupsideyourhead · #26 07-20-2010, 04:19 PM

[ but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.[/quote]

1' white sox
2' packers
3' horses
4 'tequila
5' scavs texing leftovers.
6 STRUT !!

miraja2 · #27 07-20-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Subsitute Denmark for almost any other European country, many Asian countries, some South African Countries, maybe a South American country or two and Canada and you have the same answer...sometimes US, sometimes not.

It just always seems odd to me that so many people have a pathological need to feel their country is "the best." It just seems weird.

I went to the University of Missouri for my undergrad. I loved it. I met the best friends of my life there. I think it is a great university. I cheer like hell for their sports teams every year, and own a bunch of Mizzou "gear." I guess I'm "proud" to be a Tiger. But I don't always feel the need to go around saying it is the best university in the world. I don't think alums of any other school do either. I'm not sure why it isn't like that with countries. People want to be proud....hey go ahead. But don't tell me what the best thing to ever happen to me is. I think I'll decide that for myself.

GBBob · #28 07-20-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

[ but it's far down the list of reasons of the best things that ever happened to me.

1' white sox
2' packers
3' horses
4 'tequila
5' scavs texing leftovers.
6 STRUT !!

[/quote]

1 and 2 are interchangeable, 3 is now 23, 4 is between you and me and 6 may be 1 at this point in time.

thnx bro

Antitrust32 · #29 07-20-2010, 04:27 PM

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It just always seems odd to me that so many people have a pathological need to feel their country is "the best." It just seems weird.

I went to the University of Missouri for my undergrad. I loved it. I met the best friends of my life there. I think it is a great university. I cheer like hell for their sports teams every year, and own a bunch of Mizzou "gear." I guess I'm "proud" to be a Tiger. But I don't always feel the need to go around saying it is the best university in the world. I don't think alums of any other school do either. I'm not sure why it isn't like that with countries. People want to be proud....hey go ahead. But don't tell me what the best thing to ever happen to me is. I think I'll decide that for myself.

Turn back the clock 40 years or however old you are. And have your seed planted in a village in India. Or any country in Africa. Or Mexico. You'd be begging to have been born in the USA.

comparing countries to universities & pride is freaking hilarious. When people start fighting and dying for the University of Arizona, then maybe your analogy would make the tiniest bit of sense.

GBBob · #30 07-20-2010, 04:30 PM

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Turn back the clock 40 years or however old you are. And have your seed planted in a village in India. Or any country in Africa. Or Mexico. You'd be begging to have been born in the USA.

comparing countries to universities & pride is freaking hilarious. When people start fighting and dying for the University of Arizona, then maybe your analogy would make the tiniest bit of sense.

Alright...philosophical...would you rather have been born in the US with CP confined to a wheel chair or been born healthy in Mexico. I know which I would pick. And this is only because you are saying it's the best thing that ever happened to you.

miraja2 · #31 07-20-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Turn back the clock 40 years or however old you are. And have your seed planted in a village in India. Or any country in Africa. Or Mexico. You'd be begging to have been born in the USA.

comparing countries to universities & pride is freaking hilarious. When people start fighting and dying for the University of Arizona, then maybe your analogy would make the tiniest bit of sense.

I assume you do realize that the fact that people DON'T fight and die for universities illustrates MY exact point.

Antitrust32 · #32 07-20-2010, 04:36 PM

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Alright...philosophical...would you rather have been born in the US with CP confined to a wheel chair or been born healthy in Mexico. I know which I would pick. And this is only because you are saying it's the best thing that ever happened to you.

if you are unfortunate enough to be born with CP, than US would be the best place to try to live your life.

thats a tough question.

I guess I'd rather be born in Mexico with a functional body.. and than illegally immigrate into Tucson & sell blow and pot.

Antitrust32 · #33 07-20-2010, 04:37 PM

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I assume you do realize that the fact that people DON'T fight and die for universities illustrates MY exact point.

are you saying people dont die and fight for countries?

miraja2 · #34 07-20-2010, 04:39 PM

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are you saying people dont die and fight for countries?

No, of course not. Patriotism is one of the biggest killers in the world. It is right up there with religion.
You missed the point entirely.

GBBob · #35 07-20-2010, 04:39 PM

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if you are unfortunate enough to be born with CP, than US would be the best place to try to live your life.

thats a tough question.

I guess I'd rather be born in Mexico with a functional body.. and than illegally immigrate into Tucson & sell blow and pot.

NASCAR in 3-2-1

miraja2 · #36 07-20-2010, 04:41 PM

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I guess I'd rather be born in Mexico with a functional body.

So being born with a "functional body" is a better thing to happen to someone than being born in the U.S.? Are you retracting your earlier statement?

Antitrust32 · #37 07-20-2010, 04:42 PM

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No, of course not. Patriotism is one of the biggest killers in the world. It is right up there with religion.
You missed the point entirely.

I really did miss the point. I've even re-read the post a few times and just cannot figure out the point. Much too complicated for my Pac-10 education.

Antitrust32 · #38 07-20-2010, 04:42 PM

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NASCAR in 3-2-1

Antitrust32 · #39 07-20-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

So being born with a "functional body" is a better thing to happen to someone than being born in the U.S.? Are you retracting your earlier statement?

considering Cerebral Palsy is one of the worst disorders a human can have.. sure.. you win.

miraja2 · #40 07-20-2010, 04:50 PM

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I really did miss the point. I've even re-read the post a few times and just cannot figure out the point. Much too complicated for my Pac-10 education.

The point is....why can't people just be "proud" of their country the way they are of their school....or their city....or whatever else? Why do they have to take it to the level of declaring it "the best" in such an emphatic way. I'm not just talking about Americans here either. This would be a much better world if nobody loved their country enough to kill another person for it. I love Mizzou and "hate" Kansas and their fans. But nobody (usually) gets killed over those disputes.
Obviously this is purely phisophical and completely outside the realm of actual possibility but honestly, nobody should love their country - any country - so much that they not only are willing to kill someone else over it, but also think it is a great and noble thing. If patriotism vanished from the world entirely, and took religion with it, the world would be a better place.