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[gales0678]

[quote=dalakhani;671272]

Originally Posted by gales0678

well it did , they said if it got passed unemployment wouldn't go above 8% , after it went through we went straight up to 10% , guess it worked , just the opposite of what they thought[/QUOT

surely you took logic classes in college. This would be a logical fallacy unless of course you can show how the stimulus caused unemployment to go up.

it's really black and white , bush left office in jan , we were told in early feb that the stimulus had to get passed immediatly in order for unemployment to not go above 8% , it went to 10%+ after it was passed

no one will ever no what would have happened to unemployment if it didn't get passed

but in the real world not in your fantasy little world inside the beltway dala
it didn't work


if palin guaranteed something like this and it didn't happen the media would be killing her every day , obama and his team get a pass, but , they obviously have made things worse since Bush headed back to Texas

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by gales0678

no one will ever no what would have happened to unemployment if it didn't get passed

but in the real world not in your fantasy little world inside the beltway dala
it didn't work

Do you honestly not see that these two sentences directly contradict each other? You basically say that no one will ever know how well - or even if - it worked. Then you say, "it didn't work."

If you simply mean that it did not successfully keep unemployment below 10%, then you are obviously correct. Nobody would dispute that. That's like arguing the sky is blue.

But if you mean that it didn't succeed in keeping unemployment lower, well....as you said....you can't know that.

So....your argument here is either wrong by your own admission or so obvious that there is no point in even making it.

[Antitrust32]

how about the arguement that it was a waste of $1,000,000,000,000 of taxpayers dollars?

Is that similar to the sky is blue comment?


my lord a trillion dollars has a ton of zero's

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

how about the arguement that it was a waste of $1,000,000,000,000 of taxpayers dollars?

Is that similar to the sky is blue comment?


my lord a trillion dollars has a ton of zero's

Speaking of ways to waste a trillion dollars, in the end if it was a waste or not, I'd rather "waste" a trillion bucks trying to do something to help our economy that waste it invading other countries and killing people.

That's just me though, I know how much some people love war, maybe not you personally, but I don't want to step on any toes.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

invading other countries and killing people.
.

I agree. That entire Hussein family got a bum deal just because of a little bit of torture and genocide. Nothing even near what the State of Arizona is doing now.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Speaking of ways to waste a trillion dollars, in the end if it was a waste or not, I'd rather "waste" a trillion bucks trying to do something to help our economy that waste it invading other countries and killing people.

That's just me though, I know how much some people love war, maybe not you personally, but I don't want to step on any toes.

I love how when someone says something.. the return 100% of the time is "Well Bush wasted all this money too"

No fucl<ing sh1t Bush wasted WAY TOO MUCH

No fucl<ing sh1t Bush royally fucl<ed up by going to war with Iraq & we will be repaying that for as long as the two of us live... AND then our hypothetical homosexual offspring will still be paying for it.

How is that an excuse for this new guy who spends like Bush on freaking steriods? How does that make the $1,000,000,000,000 spendulus program not a horrid waste of tax payers money?

THEY BOTH FUCl<ING SUCK BALLS.



Damn. I wish we could re-incarnate Reagan and make Clinton live forever and just do 8 years Reagan, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Reagan, 8 years Clinton. for ever and ever. that should at least make everyone happy!

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Damn. I wish we could re-incarnate Reagan and make Clinton live forever and just do 8 years Reagan, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Reagan, 8 years Clinton. for ever and ever. that should at least make everyone happy!

Let's say Ronald Regan or Bill Clinton took over in January, 2009 instead of Obama. How do you think the economy would be doing right now? What would Afghanistan and the Gulf of Mexico look like?
I'm pretty sure the answer to those three questions is:

economy - crap
Afghanistan - crap
Gulf - crap

In other words....not that much different from the way it looks now. Presidents don't have magic wands, no matter how much you wish they did.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Let's say Ronald Regan or Bill Clinton took over in January, 2009 instead of Obama. How do you think the economy would be doing right now? What would Afghanistan and the Gulf of Mexico look like?
I'm pretty sure the answer to those three questions is:

economy - crap
Afghanistan - crap
Gulf - crap

In other words....not that much different from the way it looks now. Presidents don't have magic wands, no matter how much you wish they did.

Bush freaking blew, so its not right to just start this hypothetical converation in 2009.

Substitute Bush for Reagan and Obama for Clinton, and I would say that things would be significantly different right now.

& I've posted many times that one man cant single handidly ruin or save the world. Tho supposedly Bush ruined the world all by himself.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Let's say Ronald Regan or Bill Clinton took over in January, 2009 instead of Obama. How do you think the economy would be doing right now? What would Afghanistan and the Gulf of Mexico look like?
I'm pretty sure the answer to those three questions is:

economy - crap
Afghanistan - crap
Gulf - crap

In other words....not that much different from the way it looks now. Presidents don't have magic wands, no matter how much you wish they did.

and as an add on to the above how much worse could we have been today if Palin had become president in Jan '09 - fact probably not any worse than this mess either

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Damn. I wish we could re-incarnate Reagan and make Clinton live forever and just do 8 years Reagan, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Reagan, 8 years Clinton. for ever and ever. that should at least make everyone happy!

Hell no. God and baby Jesus no.

[dellinger63]

At least the census people are working.



I sent back the form, have been visited twice (by two different people, the 1rst a local) and was just called on the phone to verify a census worker had visited.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

how about the arguement that it was a waste of $1,000,000,000,000 of taxpayers dollars?

Is that similar to the sky is blue comment?

Of course not. Whether or not it was a wise decision is a position two reasonable people could disagree about, and I think there are valid points to be made on each side.

Whether or not it kept unemployment below 10% is not like that. It didn't, and nobody is saying that it did. Those that predicted it would accomplish that statistical feat were incorrect. That's obvious too. It also didn't cure cancer, or improve top Republicans' education levels, or other difficult things to accomplish. That doesn't really prove that it "worked," or "didn't work."