The Boss has passed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Seeing as how the Red Sox neither grew their own players nor won for an extended period of time, they aren't burdened with these types of deals. Instead, they can cheap out on guys when they get older because they don't owe them anything.

you werent serious were you?

Have you been drinking?

Red sox wins in the 2000's
95
95
96 Won WS
86
95
98 Won WS
95
93
82
85

Pedroia
Youkilis
Papplebon
Ellsbury
Lester
Buckholz
Bard
all drafted by the current management of Boston

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

you werent serious were you?

Have you been drinking?

Red sox wins in the 2000's
95
95
96 Won WS
86
95
98 Won WS
95
93
82
85

Pedroia
Youkilis
Papplebon
Ellsbury
Lester
Buckholz
Bard
all drafted by the current management of Boston

How many of those guys played in 2004? Heck, how many of those guys were integral to 2007?

LOL...try again.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

you werent serious were you?

Have you been drinking?

Red sox wins in the 2000's
95
95
96 Won WS
86
95
98 Won WS
95
93
82
85

Pedroia
Youkilis
Papplebon
Ellsbury
Lester
Buckholz
Bard
all drafted by the current management of Boston

Are you on crack?

I read this again. You want to compare that group to Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Pettite? You want to compare what the Red Sox have done in the last couple of seasons to what the Yanks have accomplished since 1994?

This isn't approaching Delonte West is a great player status yet but its getting there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Are you on crack?

I read this again. You want to compare that group to Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Pettite? You want to compare what the Red Sox have done in the last couple of seasons to what the Yanks have accomplished since 1994?

This isn't approaching Delonte West is a great player status yet but its getting there.

Are you a ****in idiot?

The guys listed are homegrown guy from the current Red Sox managemnt which was brought in in 2003 since the current owners bought the teasm in 2002. Only you would try to compare them to players who have played 15 years.

We are talking about the Red sox and your insistence that they aren't developing players, not comparing the Red Sox and yankees going back to 1994.


Youlkilis- 31 yrs old 4 full seasons in MLB. Finished 3rd and 6th in MVP voting last 2 years. Gold Glove player. 2-all star

Pedroia- 27 yrs old 3 full seasons. rookie of the year. MVP. 3 time all star. Gold glove. silver slugger

Papelbon -29 yrs old 4 seasons in MLB- 4 time all star. World series MVP

Lester- 26 yrs old 53-19 with 3.50 era lifetime. all star.

Buckholz - 25 yrs old 10-4 with 2.45 era this year. all star

ellsbury - 25 yrs old hit .301 with 94 runs and 70 sb last year

Bard- 25 yrs old- dominant set up man-43 IP/23 hits 1.87 era. next closer


yeah that group isnt very good.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you a ****in idiot?

The guys listed are homegrown guy from the current Red Sox managemnt which was brought in in 2003 since the current owners bought the teasm in 2002. Only you would try to compare them to players who have played 15 years.

We are talking about the Red sox and your insistence that they aren't developing players, not comparing the Red Sox and yankees going back to 1994.


Youlkilis- 31 yrs old 4 full seasons in MLB. Finished 3rd and 6th in MVP voting last 2 years. Gold Glove player. 2-all star

Pedroia- 27 yrs old 3 full seasons. rookie of the year. MVP. 3 time all star. Gold glove. silver slugger

Papelbon -29 yrs old 4 seasons in MLB- 4 time all star. World series MVP

Lester- 26 yrs old 53-19 with 3.50 era lifetime. all star.

Buckholz - 25 yrs old 10-4 with 2.45 era this year. all star

ellsbury - 25 yrs old hit .301 with 94 runs and 70 sb last year

Bard- 25 yrs old- dominant set up man-43 IP/23 hits 1.87 era. next closer


yeah that group isnt very good.

I dont know if you do this on purpose or if you are mildly illiterate. I am starting to think it is a combination of both.

Boston has one of the best minor league systems in the game. When did I say differently? All I said was that the 2004 title was won by players that they didnt grow. Even in 2007, only Youk and pedroia made real contributions of the every day players and only paplebon out of the staff. What championship team have they grown? What group of players have they brought up like the yankees or braves did? If anything, those two titles were bought.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I dont know if you do this on purpose or if you are mildly illiterate. I am starting to think it is a combination of both.

Boston has one of the best minor league systems in the game. When did I say differently? All I said was that the 2004 title was won by players that they didnt grow. Even in 2007, only Youk and pedroia made real contributions of the every day players and only paplebon out of the staff. What championship team have they grown? What group of players have they brought up like the yankees or braves did? If anything, those two titles were bought.

This is what i said:


While Boston and the mets have more revenues than most everyone else they are still dwarfed by the Yankees. The Red Sox have been competitive because they have not only spent on FA's (though not to the degree of the yankees) but have a superior player development program. Of course having the extra cash to pay draftees over slot and the ability to re-sign its developed players matters too

Again you go off on tangents when it suits your argument. I clearly was refering to the Red Sox current managemnt teasm, namely Epstein who took over in 2003.

And the Red Sox hardly "bought" those championships, especially not the way the Yankees "bought" last years. The 2004 team had 1 mega FA signing on the team, Manny.
Do I have to rehash again?

2004 Red Sox
C- Varitek- acquired via minor league trade
1b-Millar -signed as FA- 2 million a year
2b-Bellhorn- acquired via trade was a player to be named later
SS-Reese - FA- 1 million a year
3b- Mueller - FA- 2.1 million a year
OF-kapler- FA- 750k a year
OF Damon- FA 7.1 million
Of- Manny- FA 22.5 million
others
Youlkilis -drafted
Dave Roberts-via trade
Carbera-via trade

Sp-Pedro-via trade
Sp-Shilling-via trade
Sp-Lowe-via trade
Arroyo- waiver claim
Wakefield- FA 4 million
Foulke -FA 3.5 million

Outside of manny all the other FA's that they "bought" made less combined than Jeter made in one year. Of course this had very little to do with the statement that I made about Epstein and the Red Sox doing a great job with player development which is pretty much standard knowledge.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is what i said:


While Boston and the mets have more revenues than most everyone else they are still dwarfed by the Yankees. The Red Sox have been competitive because they have not only spent on FA's (though not to the degree of the yankees) but have a superior player development program. Of course having the extra cash to pay draftees over slot and the ability to re-sign its developed players matters too

Again you go off on tangents when it suits your argument. I clearly was refering to the Red Sox current managemnt teasm, namely Epstein who took over in 2003.

And the Red Sox hardly "bought" those championships, especially not the way the Yankees "bought" last years. The 2004 team had 1 mega FA signing on the team, Manny.
Do I have to rehash again?

2004 Red Sox
C- Varitek- acquired via minor league trade
1b-Millar -signed as FA- 2 million a year
2b-Bellhorn- acquired via trade was a player to be named later
SS-Reese - FA- 1 million a year
3b- Mueller - FA- 2.1 million a year
OF-kapler- FA- 750k a year
OF Damon- FA 7.1 million
Of- Manny- FA 22.5 million
others
Youlkilis -drafted
Dave Roberts-via trade
Carbera-via trade

Sp-Pedro-via trade
Sp-Shilling-via trade
Sp-Lowe-via trade
Arroyo- waiver claim
Wakefield- FA 4 million
Foulke -FA 3.5 million

Outside of manny all the other FA's that they "bought" made less combined than Jeter made in one year. Of course this had very little to do with the statement that I made about Epstein and the Red Sox doing a great job with player development which is pretty much standard knowledge.

No Manny , no rings chuck , it's that simple , they don't sign him , the curse is still in tact

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

No Manny , no rings chuck , it's that simple , they don't sign him , the curse is still in tact

LOL. Yeah the indians rode manny all the way to the title too. And he has carried the Dodgers to what exactly?

Funny how your chest got puffed out again after the 10 year dry spell. What happened? The umpires stopped cheating? Remember when they were all against the yankees?