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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sure

And he will be cheap compared to Yu Darvish

And in what "market" is J D Drew worth 14 million?

[dalakhani]

How about the 9 million owed to Julio Lugo this year?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How about the 9 million owed to Julio Lugo this year?

They paid to get rid of him. I didnt say they were perfect.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They paid to get rid of him. I didnt say they were perfect.

They have 16800000 this year and the yankees have 21300000.

When you factor in that the yankees have to pay four aging hall of famers/borderline hall of famers 63,000,000 combined, the payroll isn't really that different.

The Yankees were great for a long time and rewarded their homegrown dynasty guys with big contracts. Seeing as how the Red Sox neither grew their own players nor won for an extended period of time, they aren't burdened with these types of deals. Instead, they can cheap out on guys when they get older because they don't owe them anything.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They have 16800000 this year and the yankees have 21300000.

When you factor in that the yankees have to pay four aging hall of famers/borderline hall of famers 63,000,000 combined, the payroll isn't really that different.

The Yankees were great for a long time and rewarded their homegrown dynasty guys with big contracts. Seeing as how the Red Sox neither grew their own players nor won for an extended period of time, they aren't burdened with these types of deals. Instead, they can cheap out on guys when they get older because they don't owe them anything.

Glad you got into banking. It what world are 168 million and 213 million the same? Boston had the 6th higest payroll in 2009 btw.

And Jeter and Riveria are borderline hall of famers? No one held a gun to their head to sign these guys. That is the difference. Virtually every other team would have to make a choice to keep paying these guys or get new blood. The yankees can do both.

The red sox only have 100 mill committed in salary next year.

Forbes estimated the Reds as being worth 330 million in April. Or about what Jeter and Lee will sign for this off season.

Yeah the red sox never lock up their players. Thats why Beckett got an extention and Youklilis and Pedroia are signed for the future and they skipped arb with Lester and signed him long term.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Glad you got into banking. It what world are 168 million and 213 million the same? Boston had the 6th higest payroll in 2009 btw.

And Jeter and Riveria are borderline hall of famers? No one held a gun to their head to sign these guys. That is the difference. Virtually every other team would have to make a choice to keep paying these guys or get new blood. The yankees can do both.

The red sox only have 100 mill committed in salary next year.

Forbes estimated the Reds as being worth 330 million in April. Or about what Jeter and Lee will sign for this off season.

Yeah the red sox never lock up their players. Thats why Beckett got an extention and Youklilis and Pedroia are signed for the future and they skipped arb with Lester and signed him long term.

Thats not what I said. Signing Lester long term now is a good business move but how does that have anything to do with the yankee obligations that I am referring to? How is Beckett's signing or Pedroia or Youkilis similar in any way to what the yanks gave Rivera, Posada, Pettite and Jeter? Yeah, I love the way the Sox did their players that got them a world series after 250 years. Then again, it was one title with that group so they really didn't owe them much. You do have to love the way Ramon was kicked to the curb. And Manny. And Damon. And Millar.

I didnt say 168 million and 213 million are the same. I'm glad you got into Horse training instead of teaching kids to reach. This is 2010 right? The Red Sox are second behind the Yanks with 168 million.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats not what I said. Signing Lester long term now is a good business move but how does that have anything to do with the yankee obligations that I am referring to? How is Beckett's signing or Pedroia or Youkilis similar in any way to what the yanks gave Rivera, Posada, Pettite and Jeter? Yeah, I love the way the Sox did their players that got them a world series after 250 years. Then again, it was one title with that group so they really didn't owe them much. You do have to love the way Ramon was kicked to the curb. And Manny. And Damon. And Millar.

I didnt say 168 million and 213 million are the same. I'm glad you got into Horse training instead of teaching kids to reach. This is 2010 right? The Red Sox are second behind the Yanks with 168 million.

Are you serious? How is Beckett's signing a 4 year 68 million dollar deal or Youkulis signing a 4 year 41 million dollar deal or Pedroia signing a 6 year 40 million dollar deal any different than Posada signing a 4 year 52 million or Rivera signing a 3 year 45 million dollar deal or pettite signing a 1 year 11 million dollar deal? Jeters contract was signed in 2001. Seriously what is the difference? Because the yankees are older? You seriously think they would have signed them if they still werent producing?

And only someone clueless would say that the Red Sox didnt do the right thing after 2004 since they wound up winning again three years later. Pedro left as a FA, got 50 million from the Mets for 1 good season. Yeah bad move. Millar did play another year in Boston but as a 35 year old player with fading skills he left as a FA and continued to fade. Damon left as a FA a year after they won the WS to who else? The yankees overpaid to get him and the fact that the Yankees "kicked him to the curb" after last season shouldnt be lost on you either. Manny? Perhaps you forgot the stretch when he demanded a trade and decided not to play hard?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Seeing as how the Red Sox neither grew their own players nor won for an extended period of time, they aren't burdened with these types of deals. Instead, they can cheap out on guys when they get older because they don't owe them anything.

you werent serious were you?

Have you been drinking?

Red sox wins in the 2000's
95
95
96 Won WS
86
95
98 Won WS
95
93
82
85

Pedroia
Youkilis
Papplebon
Ellsbury
Lester
Buckholz
Bard
all drafted by the current management of Boston

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

you werent serious were you?

Have you been drinking?

Red sox wins in the 2000's
95
95
96 Won WS
86
95
98 Won WS
95
93
82
85

Pedroia
Youkilis
Papplebon
Ellsbury
Lester
Buckholz
Bard
all drafted by the current management of Boston

How many of those guys played in 2004? Heck, how many of those guys were integral to 2007?

LOL...try again.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

you werent serious were you?

Have you been drinking?

Red sox wins in the 2000's
95
95
96 Won WS
86
95
98 Won WS
95
93
82
85

Pedroia
Youkilis
Papplebon
Ellsbury
Lester
Buckholz
Bard
all drafted by the current management of Boston

Are you on crack?

I read this again. You want to compare that group to Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Pettite? You want to compare what the Red Sox have done in the last couple of seasons to what the Yanks have accomplished since 1994?

This isn't approaching Delonte West is a great player status yet but its getting there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Are you on crack?

I read this again. You want to compare that group to Rivera, Jeter, Posada and Pettite? You want to compare what the Red Sox have done in the last couple of seasons to what the Yanks have accomplished since 1994?

This isn't approaching Delonte West is a great player status yet but its getting there.

Are you a ****in idiot?

The guys listed are homegrown guy from the current Red Sox managemnt which was brought in in 2003 since the current owners bought the teasm in 2002. Only you would try to compare them to players who have played 15 years.

We are talking about the Red sox and your insistence that they aren't developing players, not comparing the Red Sox and yankees going back to 1994.


Youlkilis- 31 yrs old 4 full seasons in MLB. Finished 3rd and 6th in MVP voting last 2 years. Gold Glove player. 2-all star

Pedroia- 27 yrs old 3 full seasons. rookie of the year. MVP. 3 time all star. Gold glove. silver slugger

Papelbon -29 yrs old 4 seasons in MLB- 4 time all star. World series MVP

Lester- 26 yrs old 53-19 with 3.50 era lifetime. all star.

Buckholz - 25 yrs old 10-4 with 2.45 era this year. all star

ellsbury - 25 yrs old hit .301 with 94 runs and 70 sb last year

Bard- 25 yrs old- dominant set up man-43 IP/23 hits 1.87 era. next closer


yeah that group isnt very good.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They have 16800000 this year and the yankees have 21300000.

When you factor in that the yankees have to pay four aging hall of famers/borderline hall of famers 63,000,000 combined, the payroll isn't really that different.

What a joke. Here is what you said. I like how you make out like the yankees are somehow rewarding their "aging" players like they arent worthy of their contracts and they are simply being good guys. Funny I recall Jeter, Riveria, and Petitte all being named to the all star game last week. What would they have to pay to replace those players with All star calibur players?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And in what "market" is J D Drew worth 14 million?

that was not out of line at that time